Strengths On Fire

Bill Dippel (00:02.826)
On a day that the balloon races got canceled. They just got married, they're gone. The balloon races are I know. So I as I mentioned in our last episode, I'm here during the balloon races. I live right on the park here in Reno. Hundred hot air balloons take off from right outside my window here. And then this morning, for some reason, there's some winds up high and they canceled it all. So people listening to the last episode probably went, Well, he wasn't sure.

Mary Hamm (00:09.166)
No way.

Mary Hamm (00:27.993)
my goodness.

Bill Dippel (00:31.692)
Just people were coming out of the park. Was it canceled? I can let them all know. Absolutely canceled. Cars cars are gone. Everyone has left. so I know, and it's such a beautiful event.

Mary Hamm (00:34.689)
It was cancelled. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. that's so sad. Okay, so what if I come out there and then the whole balloon thing gets cancelled?

Bill Dippel (00:48.216)
Four days. Don't worry. You it's not gonna get canceled for four days. You're you know, they went up yesterday, they they would have gone up today, and then Saturday, Sunday as well. So y you're not gonna come out for a day. I mean, if you come out here, we're gonna shoot 20 podcasts, hang out for a week, we're gonna take you to Lake Tahoe, we're gonna make you, you know, we're gonna get you around to some cool places in California. We're, you know, you I'm just saying, you don't you bring one eyed pie, you know, I mean, with it.

Mary Hamm (00:50.571)
okay. Not every day. Okay.

Mary Hamm (00:57.314)
Okay, okay.

Mary Hamm (01:06.063)
How sweet.

Mary Hamm (01:13.123)
I am ready.

Mary Hamm (01:17.613)
Right? Okay.

Bill Dippel (01:18.132)
Social Heidi's in. I think I yeah. I I think Heidi's Heidi is in. yeah. I mean, as long as we're all we're all hanging out, we're we are laughing. I'm I am I'm completely in. But so the yes, unfortunately balloon race canceled today. but now all my audio's gonna work. I don't have all the all the announcements in the background. So I feel good. speaking of audio, is your is your dog snoring next to the mic today or

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:18.473)
Am I coming?

Yeah, okay. Just making sure.

Mary Hamm (01:25.667)
I mean I'm a fan of that. She's my she's my twin, my strength twin.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:29.206)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (01:40.707)
That's true. Right. Yeah.

She is snoring, but she's quieter. I keep hitting her with with my strengths journal thing. And she just side eye looks at me and she's like and then she goes back to sleep. This is her nap time. Every single time we record, she is like, I will sleep and snore during this. So and I told my husband, I I said, Hey, honey, episode four, Roxy has her big debut.

Bill Dippel (01:58.699)
Love it.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (02:06.518)
What's her name?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (02:12.342)
proxy.

Mary Hamm (02:13.562)
And yes, and she's a she's a pit bully mix. we got her when she was two and she's a mess and I love her so much. So but she is a snorer.

Bill Dippel (02:14.069)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (02:22.359)
I think in episode five we got to meet one eyed pie up front, right? walked right across the mic and the and the camera. So yeah, we're getting to meet all the all the I mean the strengths cat here at my house shows up every now and then, but yours you're taking over on the on the animal side.

Mary Hamm (02:27.638)
Mm, probably. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (02:32.418)
Yeah. Yep.

Mary Hamm (02:40.362)
Well, and the other one I thought he was going to make an appearance today, but he decided to go outside before the the episode started. So he's he's really an outdoor outdoor kind of indoor cat when he wants to be.

Bill Dippel (02:48.536)
Bill Dippel (02:53.623)
Got it. Got it. Got it. Well, speaking of that, let me throw a question at you really quick, that I am curious about. can you tell me, can you give me a piece of coaching advice that you give other people, but you are terrible at following yourself?

Mary Hamm (02:59.81)
I'm ready, let's go.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (03:12.756)
Ha ha!

Mary Hamm (03:14.272)
jeez. my goodness.

Mary Hamm (03:20.11)
Coaching advice that I give. I mean, honestly, you know, I'm a mental health therapist, so I give that type of stuff all the time that I don't follow, but coaching.

Bill Dippel (03:27.383)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (03:34.776)
You're gonna have like edit out some space here.

Bill Dippel (03:37.081)
I hear it. Yeah, there's a lot of dead air right now, Mary. I I'm a little worried. I am.

Mary Hamm (03:40.494)
That's 'cause I follow all the advice I give my people.

Bill Dippel (03:44.438)
I'll give you exactly right. I would I will tell you that for me, when I thought about this question for you and I was trying to figure out what the best way to roll it was, quite often I'm trying to up the communication ideals of the people that I'm working with and I'm giving them, you know, the questions around how do you communicate and how do you move up and how do you do better.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (03:44.854)
That's what I was going to say.

Mary Hamm (04:08.643)
Right.

Bill Dippel (04:08.825)
and then I'm sometimes I'm telling them it's time to communicate with that person. Let's step into that realm. Let's move into those things. And then I come home and sometimes I don't communicate with my wife or my right or my friends or I I you know, I I forget to make the phone call. so I would say for me when I was thinking about it, that that one kind of struck me as, yeah, you know, you could do better at living up to that moral that you keep asking for other people. So

Mary Hamm (04:18.671)
Ha ha ha ha.

Right, yes. Yeah.

Yeah.

Mary Hamm (04:37.367)
Yeah. Okay, I think mine might be in like I talk a lot with people about making and building powerful partnerships with people. And there's a piece of me that thinks I can do it all myself and I don't necessarily need other people to do some of the things or to partner with me on some things. Whereas like la last episode when Cole was talking about that powerful partnership there at the end of the episode, it it

Bill Dippel (04:46.892)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (04:55.499)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (05:04.847)
makes him better, it makes our product better, it does all the things better. And I think that even even like with my husband, who's so opposite of who I am, if I if we were to partner more, which we partner a lot, but if we partner more on things, I think it could be even better. So so that's probably a a piece of advice that I should probably take more myself? That's a good question, Bill. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (05:24.394)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (05:31.565)
so dynamic little bit of dynamic partnership, huh? Little bit of stepping in. You know, Heidi, you got to hear two of We're gonna announce who you are. Why don't you throw at me? How about a little bit of advice that you might dole out every now and then that you might you might wanna follow yourself? Anything?

Mary Hamm (05:36.567)
Yeah, yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (05:40.817)
huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (05:51.255)
Yeah, I was actually trying to filter through the 15,000 things that I'm telling people to do that I don't do and just randomly pick one. For me, so I will encourage people to often partner with someone who has a strength that is high for the person, low for the client.

Bill Dippel (05:55.054)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (05:55.705)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (06:13.593)
Mm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (06:16.246)
One, to gain better value, like understanding the value that that particular strength brings to the table since it's somewhat of a blind spot for yourself. But acknowledging that that can be tough because that strength's coming from a place often that you don't understand. I don't like doing that at all. And so I mean, I can think of exact moments where I've had a coaching call with somebody and been like, you know what?

I know analytical is low for you. Let's make goal this week of partnering with somebody who has analytical high and finding some value and seeing what they bring or whatever. That's a high strength for my husband. No, no I will not. No I will not intentionally partner with that strength.

Mary Hamm (06:53.892)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (06:58.153)
I love that so much.

Bill Dippel (07:02.869)
And love it.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (07:03.296)
So I definitely, I... We could do a little better with that? Yeah.

Bill Dippel (07:06.689)
That's so good. That is so, so good. And I, you know, I I it's it's funny for me, I'm assuming you guys do this off and on as well too. I'll be working with a client and I'll be telling them something and I'm thinking of all the ways I didn't do you know, I mean I'm I'm I'm hitting them exactly where I'm like, should I really be the one telling you this? 'Cause I'm the one that

Mary Hamm (07:06.871)
yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (07:25.199)
R right. Yeah. Yes, exactly.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (07:25.618)
Uh-huh. It's where that imposter syndrome comes up, Yeah.

Mary Hamm (07:32.047)
Right.

Bill Dippel (07:33.658)
man, I it sounds really good. And by the way, that is great advice. And I just I should be doing that so much myself. So that question when I when I thought that one up and and ran that one through my filter, I thought we could all we could all answer that one pretty easily. And Heidi jumped right in in the middle of the question and jumped and and and came in and answered. So we put you on the spot, Heidi. Thank you for that. We're gonna we get to announce that today our guest

Heidi Convery-Liscum (07:41.706)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (07:41.891)
Yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (07:53.282)
I know.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (07:57.631)
I love it.

Bill Dippel (08:01.653)
Someone coming in is somebody that we know, somebody that that I would say I've had an ongoing off again, on again relationship for some time. mostly around my credit card. mostly around Sure. Right, right. there's a we have a love hate, right? There was a right. So Heidi.

Mary Hamm (08:04.213)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (08:14.135)
Ha ha

Heidi Convery-Liscum (08:15.296)
Let's continue to elaborate on what this is. This sounds okay with the credit card. Can we do that? Can we do that?

Mary Hamm (08:18.137)
That on again, off again relationship. Let's let's define what that means, please.

Especially with my credit card. What?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (08:27.423)
Yeah

Bill Dippel (08:30.797)
Heidi owns a company that makes some amazing strengths-based products. And I saw something at the last show that I had to look at great. I had to have something I had to have. And I kept asking her for it and she said, No, right? You can't have it. It's my demo. I'm sorry. And I just kept throwing my credit card on the table and just Heidi, this has to come. I it has to go home with me.

Mary Hamm (08:55.743)
Ha.

Bill Dippel (09:00.383)
I can't remember what the product was. I've since lost it. It wasn't that important to me. But I would just say it was a woo bag tag that I had on that I got to put on my luggage. And I just kept working her for it. Heidi, Heidi, thank you so much for actually finally caving in. She came over and she let me fill out a form. And you just let us know. You don't even have these in stock. This was your demo.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (09:04.158)
yeah, no it was, yeah.

Mary Hamm (09:04.277)
my goodness.

Mary Hamm (09:13.593)
This is amazing.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (09:19.2)
You're so welcome.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (09:27.27)
It is the demo. Those are coming out as a pre-order within the next couple of weeks for folks. So you, Bill, are literally the only person on the planet who has that.

Bill Dippel (09:37.336)
Hm. Arsonist, when you're watching, just Arsonist, just saying. Just saying. I'm I don't know. It just seems pretty darn relevant to me right now. So thank you, Heidi, for that. Heidi, tell us about yourself. Tell us tell us about the company. Tell us what you do. Tell us about where you come in. How did you get into the strengths community? I I'm curious about all of it because we've known each other. We've actually bounced and we had lunch at the last event together and laughed and

Mary Hamm (09:38.787)
Idie doesn't even have one.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (09:40.326)
I don't even have that, I've got two others, that's it.

Mary Hamm (09:45.091)
Ha ha ha.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (09:47.83)
You're welcome.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (10:03.719)
I know.

Bill Dippel (10:05.567)
So but I realized I don't know a ton about you. Hit me. How did you get into this?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (10:08.266)
Yeah. Okay. So I was a university administrator for 12 years. Loved it. Worked in a couple of different areas of university life. And I actually used CliftonStrengths with my staff to be a better manager, to help understand them better, work on some cohesion as a team, and just found a ridiculous amount of value in it. And funny enough, I don't talk about this super often, but...

I took CliftonStrengths for the first time when I was a senior at Texas Tech. And it was the year that Gallup was starting to filter this into a few universities. So I truly was one of like the first student groups to take it in a university setting. And Texas Tech was getting really interested in it with their career center, but I was an RA. And so they let the RAs take the assessment.

Bill Dippel (11:05.549)
Hm hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (11:06.998)
So I graduated from tech and then I went to Florida International University for my master's program. And when I got there, they happened to be one of the other few universities that was starting to get interested in strengths. I had no idea. I mean, I went through the interview process, got accepted into the master's program, got there, and that's when I figured out that my assistantship was in housing and the housing department was getting really interested. So I'm like, okay, this is...

Mary Hamm (11:22.754)
Interesting.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (11:35.371)
All right, and it resonated with me hugely right off the bat. So I started getting some more education and as I was going through my master's program, graduate, got my first post-master's position at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska. Right down the road. No, no, I didn't even, I mean, was, was looking back. It's just mind blowing how the path just.

Mary Hamm (11:49.772)
Haha stop it. my goodness. Did you know at this point that they were there? Okay, okay.

Bill Dippel (11:50.504)
wow. Wow.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (12:04.694)
kind of continued. Worked for a few other universities, University of Texas at Austin, Middle Tennessee State University, and at those two, I ended up bringing it to the staff because I just was connected to it. It was divine and in the root system. And so by the end of my hiring career, I kind of my time there was done. I loved it. I wanted to end on a high note, but I knew my

Mary Hamm (12:22.362)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (12:33.014)
It was just I was ready for something different and like a psychopath I Quit my profession higher ed went to Gallup Got certified and opened my LLC. No backup. No clients in the funnel No, nothing Everyone always asks that like well, how do you get started? I'm like, well

Mary Hamm (12:48.45)
wow.

Bill Dippel (12:54.369)
Wow.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (13:00.52)
I wouldn't necessarily recommend my route. It's very scary, but I am kind of a rip the band-aid jump off the cliff and I'm pretty sure the parachute's their gal, And that was, I'm celebrating 10 years this month of opening my coaching company, Isn't that crazy? Crazy.

Bill Dippel (13:02.69)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (13:12.171)
Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Heidi, that's incredible. my goodness.

Bill Dippel (13:21.089)
Wow. Ten years certified. How much coaching do you do versus how much do you help coaches with your products? She makes an amazing line of strengths-based shirts and pullovers and we keep flashing them on the screen for all the people watching the the pens and the customized

Heidi Convery-Liscum (13:35.934)
I know, y'all are so supportive.

Mary Hamm (13:38.99)
I'm using an ideation pen this week, Bill. Ideation.

Bill Dippel (13:42.551)
That's a that's a sore spot for you. I I I don't think you're allowed to touch the ideation pen based on last episode, so I'm huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (13:42.816)
That's right.

Mary Hamm (13:49.2)
ideation.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (13:51.701)
Well, we, about two years ago, I'd say, my husband Jeff Fluskin was a coach also. And I've told the story a little bit in pockets of people, but this is truly how it went. So we've been coaches, I've been coaching for 10 years, I love it. I woke up in the middle of the night, two years ago, one night. I mean, shot up out of bed.

and smacked him on the arm and said, why can't you buy a Strinks t-shirt? Why aren't they there? 32 million people have taken this assessment and you can't buy a I just, I mean, it just was out of nowhere, middle of the night. So we kind of chatted a little bit, go back to sleep the next day. I said, I'm going to email Gallup and ask why. So I got in contact.

Mary Hamm (14:39.012)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (14:49.344)
their licensing attorney. I was like, what's going on with the shirts or the apparel at least, cause I knew mugs were out there. And he said, well, they, some people have tried, but proposals haven't been accepted. And that's not some Gallup's going to do. I, know, learner significance competition 11 was like a challenge accepted. Yeah. So I get off the phone with him and I told Jeff, I think I'm going to write a proposal. And he said,

Mary Hamm (14:55.365)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (15:08.299)
Yeah. Not ready to take no for an answer, Heidi. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (15:12.078)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (15:18.164)
Are you interested in merchandising? And I said, I'm not really sure, but there's a hole in the market and who better to fill it than folks who truly value the content and want to pay respect to the brand and you know, not one minute bill. So I a proposal, I sent it in. Really, that was sort of like, maybe that was the itch that was scratched.

Mary Hamm (15:20.602)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (15:30.126)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (15:30.953)
Absolutely. Yeah. Had you done merchandising in the past, you or Jeff?

Mary Hamm (15:38.476)
Ha ha ha.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (15:46.731)
you know, like, this isn't gonna happen, we know nothing about this. I don't even know what I put in the proposal. Four days later, I get a call. Congratulations, Heidi. You're the first approved proposal for licensed Gallup apparel. Let us know your attorney's information so we can send the first draft of the contract. So I said...

Mary Hamm (15:47.279)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (16:01.348)
Wow.

Mary Hamm (16:09.934)
And you're like my attorney.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (16:13.344)
We need an attorney.

Mary Hamm (16:14.744)
Ha ha

Heidi Convery-Liscum (16:17.302)
And thus began a very, long process, which I understand. But we made it through and we just this past June celebrated a year of the strengths shop. We started with a couple of apparel items and now we have anything from t-shirts and hoodies to polos and pullovers and vests. And now we're coming out with hard goods. So now we've got pens.

Mary Hamm (16:30.564)
That's so exciting.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (16:46.622)
and our bag tags and mugs are coming out soon. So yeah, it's crazy.

Bill Dippel (16:50.189)
Nice nicely done.

Mary Hamm (16:52.964)
That's incredible. Heidi, I met you maybe three years ago, I believe. Three years ago in Omaha. at my second Connect Learn Share. And I I think I fangirled over you. So I don't know if you know this or not, but I you and your husband spoke on the the what's it called? B BP ten, yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (16:58.248)
Yes. Yep.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (17:06.314)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (17:18.721)
BP10.

Mary Hamm (17:20.66)
And which I knew nothing about, and I was like, my goodness, they're so amazing and they know so much information that I don't I was such a newbie coun counselor, coach back then, and and I just remember looking at you going like she's got the best hair and and I just thought like you were the cutest, you're funny, and and you articulated your thoughts well, and I was just like, She's so cool. And I seriously I remember we were in that little room and

Heidi Convery-Liscum (17:24.662)
Yes.

Bill Dippel (17:35.373)
Ha.

Mary Hamm (17:48.515)
And I went in the hallway, I was like, you can do this, Nara, you can do this. You're a woo. You can do this. Like, just go and talk to her. It'll be okay. And like hyping myself up because you know, ultimate hype girl here. And and so I went and I was like, hey.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (17:52.81)
Merry!

Heidi Convery-Liscum (17:58.688)
I cannot.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (18:02.934)
Do you remember, Bill, and this is no joke, this is why feel like Mary and I are, we're just destined to be friends, we took a picture together when people were leaving, like literally the conference is over, it was done, we took a picture, we looked at the picture and we both started crying. Do you remember that? Like tearing up. First of all, the picture made us look like we were fraternal twins. It was insane. But it was this just like,

Bill Dippel (18:09.985)
Yeah. Candor.

Mary Hamm (18:10.149)
Right?

Mary Hamm (18:21.858)
Yes Yes

Mary Hamm (18:26.958)
Rock stars, right?

Bill Dippel (18:28.749)
Fair. Totally true. Yes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (18:32.24)
overwhelming you are my person we are supposed to be going through this life together moment. I know.

Mary Hamm (18:39.216)
It was so crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (18:39.277)
Wow. Wow. So I I am the one getting kicked off the podcast today. Okay. Got it. Once again I'm out. I'm out. I mean I I I thought we had a pretty good relationship going, Heidi. you know, picking up some goods and laughing and having some but you know, I I can't compete with some Yeah, but I can't compete with tears on a photo. that I don't I don't think I have that.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (18:45.568)
See you, Bill. It was a good run. You had a good run. You did.

Mary Hamm (18:45.572)
Bye. It was. It was. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (18:53.62)
We do.

Mary Hamm (18:57.806)
I mean apparently you just throw your credit card at her.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (19:05.896)
that's ever happened to me in my life so I think that's significant.

Mary Hamm (19:09.466)
gonna have to find that photo and and when your episode comes out I'll I'll tag it with that photo. Yeah. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (19:14.516)
Yes, it was the best,

Bill Dippel (19:14.822)
that'll be a good that'll be on the social side. You'll be able to show it there. So excellent. Well

Mary Hamm (19:20.024)
Okay, but listen, Bill, when I when I contacted Heidi, I was like, Okay, here's the deal. Here we're doing these lab things. What are you interested in doing? And she was like, Well, I think the experiment one would be fun. And I was like, Cool, cool, cool. So here are some ideas with that. What kind of thing would you like to do? And she was like, Do you think that I can just like make it a surprise? Like, and not tell you? Because I already have something in mind and it's amazing. And I was like,

Bill Dippel (19:33.078)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (19:48.008)
Yeah

Mary Hamm (19:48.854)
yeah, sure, of course. Like we're a lab, of course. We can do whatever we want, right? Bill's gonna be fine, it'll be fine.

Bill Dippel (19:53.88)
Yeah, look, Heidi, it's our podcast. We we make the rules as we go, right? If you want to surprise us with a yeah, because I got s for our listeners, our our Mary's mom who watches on YouTube. yeah, for those I I have no idea what's happening today. I was told, shut up, sit down, right, relax, you'll you know, you it will all will be revealed, you'll be okay. so I yeah, I I am

Heidi Convery-Liscum (19:54.901)
Mary Hamm (19:57.628)
So what do we want?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (19:57.631)
Love it.

Mary Hamm (20:05.265)
Hey mom

Heidi Convery-Liscum (20:07.21)
Bye!

Heidi Convery-Liscum (20:13.705)
I love it.

Mary Hamm (20:16.977)
It'll be fine.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (20:19.584)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (20:22.751)
I'm excited to figure out. Heidi has one of the best senses of humor. I got to pick on her and Jeff repeatedly and they just laughed and we and we laughed about it and ended up having lunch and and bonding over it. So it was I mean, I can only imagine with all the creativity what's about to come at us from the lab. So today, the lab that we are stepping into.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (20:36.033)
was so nice.

Mary Hamm (20:37.627)
So good.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (20:39.498)
So nice.

Bill Dippel (20:49.621)
Right, is the world famous strengths experiment. And Heidi, I think didn't we agree on this? I think you're our first strengths experiment coach that came on for with us. Is that right?

Mary Hamm (20:50.287)
Ha ha ha

Mary Hamm (20:59.533)
Yeah, she is.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (21:01.398)
I love it!

Bill Dippel (21:03.627)
She's she's gonna set the bar for us on the strengths experiment. So I I I love that you did it. I love that you stepped into the experiment because that one can be wide open. we offer up a couple suggestions, and I think all of the suggestions that we read on the experiment make me pucker. I'm like, ooh, I don't know that I'd want to do that, right? That's a that's a tough experiment. Like, which of my bottom 10 would I

Heidi Convery-Liscum (21:26.646)
Mm-hmm

Mary Hamm (21:28.02)
Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (21:32.233)
I need to live out for a day, just try one of them or right. When I read yeah, when I read some of those, I'm like, man, I just don't know how I would how I'd make that happen. so I guess we're really curious in the from the experiment, Heidi, what what did you choose? How did you get, how do you want to reveal the experiment to us in the laboratory?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (21:34.23)
Ugh.

Mary Hamm (21:34.449)
my goodness. Context for Bill.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (21:55.231)
Okay, so I'll just tell you what I did for my experiment. But I would, you're going to be incorporated in this because, do you have my strengths? You have mine? Okay. So I thought it would be fun for you to figure out, I'm gonna tell you what I did and how I felt and for you to kind of figure out what strengths were involved in each part of this.

Mary Hamm (22:00.399)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (22:06.413)
yes. Yes.

Mary Hamm (22:07.739)
Yes. Yes.

Bill Dippel (22:23.485)
Ooh, ooh. So not strength spotting where we are looking at adapting a strength directly towards a an action or a reaction that you had. Okay. All right. I am ready. Let's hear it.

Mary Hamm (22:23.633)
Heidi Convery-Liscum (22:24.106)
from your own.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (22:33.78)
Yes. Okay. You ready? All right. This week, I tracked all of my non-essential spending.

Mary Hamm (22:36.613)
Let's go.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (22:47.538)
So everything that I don't have to buy in a week, I tracked and I recorded my feelings involved with said purchase. My own reasoning, why I wanted that, why I needed that, why I did that purchase.

Mary Hamm (22:47.771)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (23:09.325)
So lear your your learner your learner input already starting to to flare up because you're thinking I gotta learn what I'm spending and what I'm spending it on. Right. Right. Go.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (23:10.686)
and I wanted to see if you could decipher.

Mary Hamm (23:21.977)
It's amazing.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (23:23.424)
Cause I'm thinking strengths are possibly involved in some of our habits, like non-essential spending. So I wanted to know things like, does my achiever make my productivity spending? Like things that I buy that make me more productive is maximized or totally involved when I'm purchasing a level up thing is my learner doing all of my experiential purchases like

Bill Dippel (23:30.293)
Mm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (23:52.469)
That was the hypothesis in this. But I stopped at, here was my purchase and this is the why I'm telling myself that I needed to do this, to leave the strengths diagnosis to you.

Mary Hamm (23:55.067)
Okay, all right.

Mary Hamm (24:05.504)
okay. So you didn't go there. Okay.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (24:08.158)
No, I mean you kind of, I kind of went there but not intentionally. Cause I mean, you know, you can't, yeah. You just can't help. Okay.

Mary Hamm (24:11.971)
Right, because that's yeah. 'Cause you just can't help it, but yeah. Okay.

Bill Dippel (24:14.763)
Right, right, right. What wow. I hmm. So I think just the framework, as I mentioned right right when you started bringing it up, just for the framework component, right, there's a there's that for me if I was I have to kind of relate it towards why I might step into this. For me, I would want to know why I'm spending what I'm doing, which is a learner.

Mary Hamm (24:27.974)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (24:42.261)
Right. I would up my strategic ability to go, okay, I need to learn why I'm spending what I'm spending and what I'm doing with it. I love that you attached feelings to it. Why did I how did I feel about making this purchase? Because as a pure blue folder, as somebody that has a ton of relationship themes, all about people and effort, I would lean into those. You, however, do not have a ton of blue up in the top. You have only two of your top 10 includer and positivity are in that.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (24:42.838)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (24:53.792)
Hmm?

Mary Hamm (25:06.693)
No, no.

Bill Dippel (25:12.469)
are in that area and you tend to lead with your influencing themes. So I'm gonna say from a framework point of view, something spurred you, probably Jeff, to define why you're spending what you're spending. Yeah, and that spurred on the learner to say, okay, I can't, I can do, I can do this. I need to learn why I'm spending, where I'm spending, what I'm doing. I think that's how the framework started.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (25:16.288)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (25:25.44)
For sure.

Mary Hamm (25:26.801)
That's amazing.

Mary Hamm (25:38.832)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (25:41.077)
Yes, yes, it's fair. I, you know, I didn't go into this week with the idea of like, I'm going to purchase a bunch of stuff, you know, and just kind of see. really wanted to go off of that desire was there, but I really was going more off of instinctual purchasing. So just kind of how I would, you know, possibly go about my week.

Bill Dippel (25:41.879)
Would that be fair? Okay.

Bill Dippel (25:55.357)
Ha ha ha ha

Mary Hamm (26:00.644)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (26:04.107)
Yeah. Okay. I love that. do Mary, what do you think? Any any thoughts just from a broader point of view before we get into the feelings on some purchases?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (26:07.082)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (26:14.777)
Okay, s so just in general, this is amazing, Heidi. when you're like, I have something in mind right now. I was like, okay. I and I had no idea where you're gonna go with this. but it was like you you ha on some level probably had already thought maybe I should track my spending and see what's going on with it, maybe. Okay. And and so that probably might have come from that that learner

Heidi Convery-Liscum (26:26.339)
You

Heidi Convery-Liscum (26:35.03)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (26:40.687)
maybe input maximizer, right? Like how can I make the most of our of our money here? so I'm really

Bill Dippel (26:43.901)
yeah. Yeah, yeah. J in other words, Jeff identified a small problem and she made it a big problem with maximizer. Yeah, it seems fair. Seems fair. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (26:51.663)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (26:52.568)
which is our general MO. That's really how we function most of the time.

You do know that his bottom five are in my top ten, my bottom five are in his top ten, and we don't share anything in the top 15. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (27:00.741)
So I

Mary Hamm (27:08.815)
Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (27:09.845)
We not to that extreme, but we do see that a lot in how often opposites have attracted and how frequently we work with people and they say, Hey, I need to get my spouse through this or I I worked with a couple actually in San Diego and they got married after we worked with them because he just started dating her and said, I know all of mine, I gotta see hers. She was a great sport, went through it. I coached both of them for a while. And then I went to their wedding and they actually talked about their themes during their vows, and I thought

Mary Hamm (27:13.542)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (27:13.829)
yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (27:20.789)
Yep.

Mary Hamm (27:35.889)
wow. That's adorable.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (27:38.422)
Stop! you should have officiated. Seal the deal.

Bill Dippel (27:39.371)
Wow. So and I and I do officiate. I didn't do that one. That one was in a some they had had someone else doing it. So yeah, that was that's fun. All right. So Mary, I'm sorry, I I led you down, I took you off a path. Go ahead.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (27:46.39)
Mary Hamm (27:49.669)
wow. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (27:50.272)
That's sweet.

Mary Hamm (27:55.077)
It's fine. I'm used to it from you. It's fine. Not a big deal. No, I think we should just jump in. I wanna know how this went. Let's let's dig in. I wanna know what you bought this week. I'm also just curious about what you bought. So and do I need the same things? Will you put the links in the in, you know?

Bill Dippel (27:57.098)
No. Mm. Mm. Wow. Wow.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (27:57.942)
and

Heidi Convery-Liscum (28:07.766)
Okay, so I have three. Yes, so I have three. I should totally, I'll put the links in so you can, yeah. All right, so there were four purchases that were not part of my norm. There were a few more, but they're small potatoes and they're not, it's not a big deal. Okay, so the largest, we're gonna start with the largest purchase of this week that was not essential was

Bill Dippel (28:17.965)
Wow.

Mary Hamm (28:26.031)
Mm. Okay.

Bill Dippel (28:35.191)
You can start with the big one. All right. does it does it have anything to do with Tory Birch or, you know,

Mary Hamm (28:35.537)
Okay.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (28:36.426)
Yeah, we're gonna start with the big one. That was...

No, but that'd be great. That's a little more fun. Actually, that's not true. I purchased patio furniture.

Bill Dippel (28:51.261)
Ooh. Okay.

Mary Hamm (28:51.506)
okay. Alright.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (28:53.642)
So let me tell you a little bit about my feelings involved with this, okay? I realized that I had put things in my virtual cart. I put nine different sets across four different stores in my cart.

Bill Dippel (28:57.847)
Go.

Mary Hamm (28:58.13)
Okay.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (29:14.262)
Within like a 36 hour period. I was having a really hard time deciding because I kept thinking about the conversational boost that the particular set would need to give. We have a patio. I was envisioning my kids and their friends being over and our family coming over and it has a little fire pit or I know I wanted a little fire pit so like

Mary Hamm (29:17.285)
Okay.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (29:42.357)
what's going to be really comfortable for my mom and my uncle who were in their mid seventies where they were going to feel like they could sit out there for a while. But we have a lot of seating because I want as many people there as possible. I will say, cause I think this adds to it. Jeff pointed out to me this morning, he said, you know, you don't save items on websites that you like. You just put it in the cart.

Mary Hamm (29:53.746)
Huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (30:09.16)
immediately put it in the cart. I then will take it out of the cart if I decide I don't want it. But there's no, you know, you can like heart it or save it or whatever. I don't do that ever on any platform.

Mary Hamm (30:09.562)
Okay. All right. All right. huh.

Mary Hamm (30:17.819)
Yeah.

Interesting. Okay, Activator, we see you.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (30:22.59)
straight to

Bill Dippel (30:24.687)
the h the whole the whole discussion was activator, right? I'm I put all in. I'm on several websites. I'm gonna activate all over each and every one of these. I'm going to put them all here and then they're just gonna languish. They're just gonna sit. As a high activator, I completely associate your high activator. And by the way, I heard a hair of your includer talking about what my family members

Heidi Convery-Liscum (30:28.488)
I know.

Mary Hamm (30:34.588)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (30:42.587)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (30:49.519)
Right.

Bill Dippel (30:50.145)
we'll be sitting on these. I want to include them in the discussion or idea I'm making around what we could sit on and be comfortable here. Fair?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (30:57.6)
Yes, yes. I do think the, I mean, I would land on one and then I would search a little bit more and find something I thought was better for one reason or another. So then I'd take this one out of the card, put it all over it, all over it. So we did end up making the purchase.

Mary Hamm (30:57.754)
Yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (31:07.622)
Yeah. So your maximizer was hanging out?

Bill Dippel (31:09.301)
Mm-hmm. Congratulation, maximizer. Yeah. Congratulations, maximizer. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (31:14.948)
Okay, okay. Did okay. Did did you read through your the reviews on the products? Uh-huh, okay, learner. okay, interesting. And and you wanted people to come over and see this really great furniture in your home, and then be like, my goodness, I love this patio set. Where did you get it? Significance.

Bill Dippel (31:19.265)
Did we make the purchase?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (31:20.768)
We did.

Yes. Obsessively. Obsessively.

Bill Dippel (31:29.365)
Mm-hmm. Go on.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (31:43.575)
all the time. I didn't even say to you, like, I was envisioning, future stick isn't even high for me. I was envisioning my kids, in three or four years, like in late high school, loving this furniture because their friends are there and I'd rather them all hang here than some weird place. I mean, that just was...

Bill Dippel (31:44.397)
Pause.

Mary Hamm (31:44.401)
I

Ha ha ha

Mary Hamm (31:55.975)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (32:03.078)
Then somewhere else, yeah.

Bill Dippel (32:04.107)
Yep. That's that's your significance supercharged a bit with your positivity, right? People coming over saying, Hey, you know, I I love this. Right? Why would I not?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (32:09.534)
supercharged.

Mary Hamm (32:09.958)
Yeah, yeah. And woo, you want people in your space, right? Like why would you want them somewhere else? Right? Mm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (32:15.114)
Come on! I mean... Yeah.

Bill Dippel (32:18.635)
By the way, your woo with your woo being high, I have a bag tag that I could sell you that you may Anyway.

Mary Hamm (32:24.252)
This is not gonna get old.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (32:24.79)
Can I throw my credit card at you through the screen? Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (32:27.531)
You could just yeah, just throw it on the table. I'm sure I'll take it. I love it. this is fun getting to look at your strengths and see why you did what you did because I hear so much of the activator and the maximizer, that includer when you're talking about the family members, right? And we're talking about different domains, right? We're talking about where you looked at it from a people point of view, but also where you influenced the crap out of six websites and yourself.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (32:36.715)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (32:40.308)
Yes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (32:56.117)
Yes.

Bill Dippel (32:56.289)
to put it all in one spot and then figure out where you wanted to make the purchase. So what has the has the purchase been made?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (33:00.459)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (33:00.624)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (33:02.944)
Purchase has been made, it's been delivered. It was a super quick delivery. And like I said, it's still triple digits here in Dallas, sadly. So we're gonna wait a hair before we hang out there. But I was really trying to get in on those last Labor Day patio furniture sales. that did, I felt the time crunch to getting that done over the.

Mary Hamm (33:05.81)
wow.

Mary Hamm (33:14.833)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (33:22.733)
Sales. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (33:23.931)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (33:29.38)
Okay. There's some urgency to it.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (33:32.47)
There was a bit of urgency to it. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (33:32.738)
Hmm. Yeah, that lends itself for me back to your maximizer again, right? I'm I I'm gonna erupt that. And by the way, I'm gonna be really honest with you. You have belief number five. I'm not gonna, I am not gonna pull up belief at any point when we're talking, because until we coach, for me, when until we coach, I don't know what the belief is. We know what the belief hallmarks are. I'll put a flag in the stand and st and I will rally around it. But until we coach them, I don't know what that is yet.

Mary Hamm (33:36.688)
Right. Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (33:37.206)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (33:53.184)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (34:00.61)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (34:02.463)
So I'm I am curious if belief is playing a part in here and as a coach you'd be able to tell us what is the belief that is so firmly in the sand while while while we're trying to figure out what it is. So

Heidi Convery-Liscum (34:12.552)
Yeah. It shows up in purchase number four. So when we get to purchase number four, I think you'll see it. Okay. So that was patio furniture. That was big purchase number one. I have a visual for purchase number two. I needed some fall casual athletic shoes. Not like tennis shoes that you go take a run in, but just

Bill Dippel (34:16.983)
Perfect. All right. Now I know. All right. I'm ready. All right.

Mary Hamm (34:20.516)
Okay. Okay. Okay.

Bill Dippel (34:26.007)
Got it.

Mary Hamm (34:26.128)
Love it.

Bill Dippel (34:29.879)
Mary Hamm (34:29.965)
perfect. We love visuals.

Mary Hamm (34:37.925)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (34:41.402)
Okay. Pal around the house. Cute yeah, yep.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (34:42.79)
know, cute Adidas, whatever. Yeah. I went to the store and I found a pair that I was immediately attracted to, but was nervous because it was a bit out of my comfort zone. And I don't necessarily like to stand out, stand out for no reason.

Mary Hamm (35:00.496)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (35:00.503)
So when you say out of your comfort zone, do you mean from a looks point of view or a spending or f not from a spending point of view? Okay, got it. 'Cause you really have no ceiling when it comes to spending. I'm sensing that. Yeah, go on.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (35:03.99)
From a looks, from a looks. Yep, from a looks point of view. There's no ceiling. No, I will vomit after a high purchase, please. I do.

Mary Hamm (35:12.57)
He she has your credit card.

Bill Dippel (35:16.119)
She does have my credit. I'm surprised some shirts haven't just shown up randomly from her shop to me. She does have my credit card. So I got it. All right. So a little out of your comfort.

Mary Hamm (35:16.985)
She has your credit card.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (35:20.936)
It's early in the day, Bill. It's early in the day. I very much am nervous with large purchases, but I do still make them. So this was from a visual. I will very often look and see what a trend-ish is. I don't like super trendy, but like what looks pretty comfortable that most people are doing and I'll go that direction because it feels safe and it's fine. These were not that, but there was something about them and I was nervous.

Bill Dippel (35:28.129)
Got it. Okay.

Mary Hamm (35:43.664)
Okay. I'm so excited.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (35:50.359)
Cause I was like, I'm not gonna be, what if I'm like out on my own with these shoes, but also I'll stand out with these shoes a little bit, but maybe like in a good way. Okay, so they're Adidas, but this is like a fabric. It's like a scrunchie floral fabric.

Mary Hamm (35:58.889)
Yeah.

Yes.

Bill Dippel (36:01.911)
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (36:09.323)
With a matching back end on it that matches the stripes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (36:11.368)
Look at the back end.

Mary Hamm (36:11.803)
Okay, so f for those of you who are not my mom and watching on YouTube, she is holding up a pair of is it brown? I can't really tell. Chocolate brown.

Bill Dippel (36:17.089)
Right.

Chocolate brown Adidas with a with a white with a white almost see-through translucent base to it. But the Adidas stripes are this white fabric that have this wonderful like brown and beige pattern kind of flown through it. Hmm. And yes, those those are spectacular. Yes, those are.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (36:20.544)
chocolate brown adidas.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (36:27.912)
Yes, that made me nervous, Bill.

Mary Hamm (36:29.074)
Right?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (36:37.844)
Yes, it's a floral pattern and it's

Mary Hamm (36:41.543)
I think they're fabulous.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (36:46.356)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (36:46.875)
I would totally wear those. Okay, so tell us about your thinking process through it.

Bill Dippel (36:50.337)
Yeah. Tell us about the feelings around this purchase.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (36:52.628)
So I was looking at similar style to these, sort of like the Adidas Samba's kind of jam, but just with a solid color. I was really looking at neutral browns because I thought all go with everything or whatever. Then I kind of started to say, maybe I should get just an interesting color that goes with nothing, but then it makes it go with everything. So I was looking at a green Adidas and then like a burgundy Adidas. And these were on an end cap. And I passed by and I stopped and looked.

and then I walked away and I tried a few more shoes on and then I went back to the end cap and Jeff was there and I said, what do think about these? And he was like, those are awesome. Now, Jeff is very high individualization. So we, this is where we don't, we're not cut from the same cloth because he will go with something just because nobody else has it.

Mary Hamm (37:35.28)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (37:45.109)
It's bespoke. Right. Yeah. He likes it one off. Okay. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (37:45.605)
Right, right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (37:48.681)
just one off. Even if he didn't love it, he would probably get it because nobody else got it. Right? I know you do. He's such a good human. y'all are this, you're the same.

Mary Hamm (37:50.866)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (37:54.482)
Right.

Bill Dippel (37:55.468)
I love Jeff. I just really love Jeff. Individualization's number one for me too and I from a bespoke point like I yeah, I completely get Jeff right now, so

Mary Hamm (38:03.485)
Ha ha ha

Heidi Convery-Liscum (38:05.654)
I don't want to be on an island by myself. So I very, very rarely will purchase something that I think I'm the only one who has it. I don't know. It's a nervousness, whatever. but I kept going back to this because I just thought, I, I, there's something about it. It's unique. You don't usually see florals on a shoe. It's got a bunch of colors that I think will go with everything.

Mary Hamm (38:14.769)
Right.

Mary Hamm (38:30.759)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (38:36.372)
and it'll be my signature shoe. And that was what I said in my head was I think this is gonna be my signature shoe for the fall.

Mary Hamm (38:39.251)
Bill Dippel (38:40.295)
Signature shoe. Signature.

Come on. Welcome to the welcome to the orange world for everything you just talked about on this shoe.

Mary Hamm (38:46.928)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (38:52.144)
So quick question, if I also get that shoe, like is there gonna be a problem there?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (38:57.072)
I will be obsessed if you get this shoe. I will come and see you and bring my shoes so we can take pictures together with our shoes.

Mary Hamm (38:59.131)
Ha ha

Mary Hamm (39:03.559)
Done. Already bought. They're on their way.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (39:07.99)
Love it.

Bill Dippel (39:08.171)
Wow. Wow. So what our what our listeners are listening to and Mary's mom is seeing is woo, significance, maximizer, self-assurance, and activator. All of the orange themes have just looked at every option and thought, you know what? As a woo, as some self-assurance. I mean, I I don't.

Mary Hamm (39:16.637)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (39:28.401)
Right.

Bill Dippel (39:31.561)
I I'm gonna go buy a set of those shoes just because I think they're phenomenal and would look great on some of my strength shop goods, right? So I love it. Yes.

Mary Hamm (39:36.115)
You're gonna start a trend.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (39:37.352)
Yes, Bill. Yes, Bill. Yes.

Mary Hamm (39:39.856)
I really, really heard positivity hanging out throughout a lot of it. When you were talking, even as you were like, you know, when I said should I buy some too? Like there was a lot of positivity that was coming out in combination with all of those influencing themes happening for you. So interesting. I love it.

Bill Dippel (39:43.062)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (39:44.534)
Hmm

Heidi Convery-Liscum (39:53.376)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (40:00.203)
Yes, yes, I agree. think positivity heavily influences my experience. I always want to make sure I'm having a good time as much as possible. And I know I include purchases in that if it's something that's just going to encourage a positive time elusive, right? I mean, I, this was fun. my God.

Mary Hamm (40:17.499)
Right. Like it's fun. Yeah. They're just fun. And you made them your signature shoe? Like that's just a fun thing to do, right? Anytime you have a signature anything, right?

Bill Dippel (40:28.429)
I mean, come on. Is there another pair? Is is there another pair being flown in as backup just in case these have a

Heidi Convery-Liscum (40:37.568)
Do you know? Well, you I don't think in terms of backup, if you look at my bottom five. However, I, they had a bunch of them there, which made me nervous. Nobody, I mean, I, right? These other ones I was looking at were, they hardly had any of my size because so many of them purchased. So this was not my norm, but strengths wise, a bit my norm.

Mary Hamm (40:41.949)
Ha ha ha

Bill Dippel (40:46.901)
Mm.

Nobody's buying but you're all in.

Mary Hamm (40:58.749)
Huh. Okay.

Listen, but I think after this episode airs, those will get s taken up pretty quickly. I do. Yeah. I think you're gonna be a trend setter I think so. Maybe you should contact Adidas.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (41:08.01)
You think that's it? Maybe a brand deal is in the works?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (41:14.996)
Adidas.

Bill Dippel (41:16.491)
Yeah, once three people see Heidi bouncing around town with these, they're that's it. They're they're gonna be flying off the shelf. Hair and shoes.

Mary Hamm (41:16.807)
Mary Hamm (41:21.053)
They're like, hair and shoes, yes, please.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (41:26.048)
Check.

Bill Dippel (41:27.597)
Check, check and check. So yeah. I too I love the positivity on it. I I see a so much orange in this, right? In in the way that you are looking at how they woo and how you can win others over and and have some significance around my my fall shoe, the signature that I am putting out there, and then activating on a purchase that might have been outside of your comfort zone. So a lot of a lot of that.

Mary Hamm (41:28.755)
I won't be the only fangirl. Okay.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (41:30.496)
Okay.

amazing.

Mary Hamm (41:37.411)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure.

Mary Hamm (41:48.051)
Hehehehe

Heidi Convery-Liscum (41:54.868)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (41:55.707)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (41:57.356)
Which is interesting because th your learner input, right, the other ones that we know that are in there, that achiever, those all fell to the wayside. And again, a really good experiment and a really good way to look at our themes and talents of when we use them positively and we're using them in the right space and how we aren't just one thing at any point, because the two purchases that you've brought up so far are very different in the themes that you've brought up. So I I love this experiment. All right.

Mary Hamm (42:06.171)
Right. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (42:06.505)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (42:16.244)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (42:18.163)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (42:23.796)
Yes, yes. And this was really, this went against my own hypothesis. I really thought that my purchases were going to be geared more towards Achiever or like checking something off or solving a problem. And they were not. Literally none of them as we continue with the last two. So it's, this has been a wild ride for me.

Mary Hamm (42:23.867)
Right? Yep, yep.

Mary Hamm (42:40.763)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (42:44.242)
Okay.

Okay, I'm so excited.

Bill Dippel (42:51.895)
Got it. I see, I'm I'm feeling like the the strengths lab is pushing people to do things that they wouldn't have normally done no matter which lab we're throwing at them. So I'm I'm kinda digging the season, right? We're

Mary Hamm (42:51.955)
Ha ha ha

Heidi Convery-Liscum (42:52.079)
this week on my own self-development. Okay!

Mary Hamm (43:02.67)
I agree.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (43:04.394)
Love it. Love it.

Mary Hamm (43:06.321)
We are really helping people. That that speaks to your developer bill. Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And your individualization. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (43:10.112)
Changing lives, y'all.

Bill Dippel (43:11.145)
It does. It does speak to my developers. So yeah and and my you know, my ability to be here for Heidi the minute she needs some help from us, you know, I

Mary Hamm (43:20.143)
Right. And I'm just gonna hype you up. Let's go.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (43:20.32)
which clearly I've got some.

Bill Dippel (43:23.403)
Yeah. And I can't and I can't wait to have Jeff on the episode. So okay, going on. Yeah. All right. Number three, let's talk thirds.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (43:27.728)
my god, it'll be great. It'll be great. All right, number three. So this was a bit of a combo. We were headed to the grocery store to buy essential things, right? I had no plans to buy anything that wasn't on the list. On the way to the store, Jeff was driving and I was scrolling through TikTok. And about two minutes before we pulled into the parking lot,

Mary Hamm (43:38.875)
Of course.

Mary Hamm (43:50.625)
no.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (43:55.209)
I saw this woman, I had it on silent, cause I'm a old, well I'm a Gen X millennial right on the split. I like to watch videos without sound. It's too overwhelming.

Mary Hamm (44:03.238)
Right? Right.

Bill Dippel (44:05.805)
Hi Heidi, I'm just gonna stop you for a second. People that watch videos in public and leave the audio on drive me nuts.

Mary Hamm (44:14.428)
No, there's this there's a special place for them. Yep.

Bill Dippel (44:16.669)
Even in the car, right, if it's just it's just one of the grandkids and I, I'm like, What are you doing? No, no, no, no. If I can't see it, don't make me listen to it, right? I so Heidi I am with you and I I'm old and I'm old. So I get it, yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (44:22.474)
What are you doing?

Mary Hamm (44:22.642)
Right. What are you doing? Nope. Yep.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (44:25.64)
Same, same. Okay, great. Okay, great. So two minutes before pulling into the parking lot, I'm watching this video and I see this woman do this recipe, like she's throwing it together. I'm not hearing her, I'm just watching, okay? I'm sort of taking some notes a little bit in my head about the ingredient she's using. We pull into the space and the video ends and I was like, that looked good.

Mary Hamm (44:30.846)
He is.

Mary Hamm (44:42.578)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (44:52.63)
And then it's sort of out of my head, right? Like I just now I'm like, we need to get in the store and I'm getting my list out of my purse. We're walking to store. We get through three things on the list and I stop in the middle of the aisle and go, I need to get back over to the specialty cheese and the vegetable section. And Jeff goes, what? And I was like, there's something I want to pick up. Immediate turnaround back to the specialty cheese, back to the veggies.

And I just by memory them and grabbing the stuff that I saw on the video. And he goes, is this for something? said, I'm going to make us this this weekend, I think. I don't know. I've not done it. And I don't have the recipe like anywhere. But I saw some of the stuff, grabbed it and put it in the cart. What you got.

Mary Hamm (45:34.996)
Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. Was there an emotional response to it? Yeah.

Bill Dippel (45:40.341)
Wow.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (45:43.296)
For me, I think the emotional response was an excitement for newness.

I do get, I cook a lot for us and I get bored very quickly with meals. And so, but I also sort of get annoyed with the thought of sitting down and researching meals. I know that doesn't sound like input, but it just, I can't. So anyway, I think the emotional response was this sort of excitement for like, can make something new for us. And I've never done it before.

Bill Dippel (46:13.192)
Mm, mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (46:23.804)
And I don't even know what's really fully on the ingredients list. I just bought the stuff I can remember that I saw and I'll make up the rest. So it was, and I I felt a pep. The rest of the shopping experience, I mean, I was jacked. This is awesome. This is gonna be awesome. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (46:27.091)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (46:32.446)
That's amazing.

Mary Hamm (46:42.994)
Yeah. You were like doing a little dance as you were shopping.

Bill Dippel (46:45.602)
Like I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna make this happen. I'm all in. So for me, I right out of the gate, you're we're heading right back to the top of your themes, right out right there. You're in your activator and your learner, right? I just watched it on TikTok. I learned it briefly, but I'm gonna activate the crap out of this and just okay, I can actually start doing this. Now, how did the meal turn out? See?

Mary Hamm (46:56.956)
Right. Yep. Yep.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:00.341)
Yes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:06.525)
immediate.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:13.718)
I haven't made it yet.

Bill Dippel (47:15.52)
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for an activator, right? I I literally wanted to go through the process of of activating on it. And when it gets pushed over the line, or even if it does or doesn't, doesn't matter. I felt good in the purchase and I did what I had to do in the moment because now I sung through the rest of my time at the grocery store and my activator was was actually on fire. Fair. Yeah. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:17.106)
It doesn't! That-

doesn't.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:38.73)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (47:40.639)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. I would also go with I mean, obviously Activator was like right there, it was in your face type of thing, right? If you stop in the aisle and go to a different aisle, you're like you obviously like it has to happen right now. but I would also throw out there with along with your learner, that positivity was hanging out again. It it took an award this time, because if it it created that sense of fun and

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:41.504)
Totally fair.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (47:53.92)
Seeing red, yeah.

Mary Hamm (48:06.728)
That excitement, you were dancing through the rest of the store, you had this idea and you're like, I'm gonna do it. That's fun. and if you pop down to your twelve, it's self assurance. And I think there's a piece of you too that was like, I know I can pull this off. I can do this.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (48:23.284)
That is such a good realization, Mary, because we, Jeff and I have this discussion a lot about that part of my strengths, where I am just so very rarely halted by the thought of, I'm not sure I'll be able to pull it off. I could probably count on one hand. Because I just...

Mary Hamm (48:34.441)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (48:41.746)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (48:47.316)
I know I can. Now, whether the end result will be identical to what it is that I saw, wherever that was, it really doesn't matter. It's just gonna happen. It's just gonna happen. you know, maximized or contweaked to whatever extent I want to to get it to where I want it to be at the end. But...

Bill Dippel (48:53.196)
matter. Nah. It's activator, right? We're gonna have an experience. It's about doing the process. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (48:53.352)
Right.

Mary Hamm (48:59.696)
Right. Yep.

Mary Hamm (49:06.738)
what it needs to be, right?

Bill Dippel (49:07.394)
Yeah. Yeah. I I wanted to say you're even leaning towards another one that, you know, we tend to joke with around here. But that ideation is number seventeen for you. And when you saw it, saw it and had it, knew where it was, ideating on I can now do it. I can I can right the self assurance is there. For me, when you bring up positivity, Mary, positivity for for me in this circumstance is more of a fuel, right? For the activator. It's not it's not the guiding component.

Mary Hamm (49:23.986)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (49:33.203)
Yeah, right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (49:37.355)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (49:37.483)
It's more of the it's why the activator is jumping in and and having the positive emotion and feeling around it. So for me, in this way, those themes are locked together more as a as a supercharger and a and a primary. and I, you know, I don't n always feel that way around certain themes, but positivity tends to tend to do that for me a lot. I have high positivity, so I feel that in mind, right? When I'm feeling good about something, usually there's another theme steering that.

Mary Hamm (49:37.565)
Right.

Mary Hamm (49:44.104)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (49:49.853)
Right, for sure.

Mary Hamm (50:04.922)
Absolutely, yeah. What did what was Jeff's response to it?

Heidi Convery-Liscum (50:05.76)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (50:09.603)
He's all in.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (50:12.188)
now, so a really interesting dynamic between two of us is strategic is his number one. And that that's always very interesting. Totally, totally. Because I don't, there's no plan ever. I do not have a plan. And so he, I think now, which is wonderful, he can sort of pick and choose what to get riled up over.

Mary Hamm (50:18.662)
Okay. All right.

Bill Dippel (50:20.206)
So now now you're driving him crazy with this. Yeah. Absolutely.

Mary Hamm (50:27.428)
Ha ha.

Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (50:41.32)
regarding whether or not there's a plan. So for this he's like, it's a meal, it's fine. Now we will run into it together as a couple when my Activator Learner Self-Assurance jumps into play on something that really probably needs a If it's like, you know, we are doing a bunch of stuff on a Saturday, we're gonna be driving all over Dallas.

Mary Hamm (50:46.302)
What are gonna do? Yeah.

Mary Hamm (50:59.047)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (51:08.104)
we would literally be gone the entire day if I were leading the charge. He has to come in at some point and be like, what are you trying to do today so I can get that in order? And we're not gone for 15 hours, right?

Mary Hamm (51:11.805)
Right.

Bill Dippel (51:20.12)
Right, right.

Yeah. I think you just explained my wife and I on any given Saturday where Yeah, yeah. My and my wife is the one strat strategizing where we have to be and I'm the one that's just like, Huh, you know, let's I you know, I'll go here, I'll do this, I'll do right. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (51:23.517)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (51:27.922)
I was gonna say that's me and my husband. Yeah, yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (51:28.318)
Right? Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (51:37.141)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (51:38.462)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (51:41.471)
And I appreciate it hugely. And I'm much more self-aware now enough to know when, like I knew in the store, there was an eye roll from him, but it was a small one. And he immediately turned the cart. Like we, he was like, she's insane. It's fine. So I did. It's going to be a great meal. The end result is going to be fantastic. I'm making it tonight. No, I'm making it tonight.

Mary Hamm (51:53.428)
Okay.

He went with you.

Mary Hamm (52:00.777)
You won him over?

Bill Dippel (52:08.212)
If it happens, yeah, if it when it happens, if it happens, it'll be a great meal.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (52:13.722)
Yeah, yeah, I'll report back in the comments of the deal. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (52:18.174)
I can't wait. Actually, we'll just have you on. Well, you know what? We'll cold open with it and and have you on again so that way we get to find out what happened. I love it. I love it. I am ready. Number four, purchase four.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (52:23.892)
Love it. Love it. Are you ready for the last one?

Mary Hamm (52:27.966)
Yes, let's go.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (52:31.264)
Purchase number four. This requires a teeny bit of a backstory. One of my most favorite books growing up, and then movies, was Little Women. And I grew up with my mom and my sister, it was the three of us, and that book was incredibly important to us. So much so actually that all the grandkids, my kids and my sister's kids, call my mom Marmee.

Mary Hamm (52:57.085)
No.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (52:58.25)
and that's what the sisters in the book called their mom. And it's just, it's a, it's a staple on my childhood. Very important story to me. I was listening to a podcast recently where a book, bookshop owner was being interviewed and said, what's one new book that's come out that you has just been incredible. And she said, well, it's a book called Beth is Dead.

Mary Hamm (53:05.033)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (53:28.008)
And it takes the little women's story and changes it as if Beth was murdered.

Mary Hamm (53:28.017)
Stop it.

Mary Hamm (53:36.213)
Huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (53:39.145)
Instead of spoiler alert, leave if you need to, passing from illness. So when I heard this on the podcast, my immediate, here you go, Bill, my immediate reaction was, excuse me, do not mess with little women. Are you insane? That's like, that's a staple. That is, that's a root system. Like don't know. But then within 30 seconds of that feeling,

Mary Hamm (53:44.297)
Right.

Mary Hamm (53:53.555)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (54:10.396)
I was overcome with curiosity.

Mary Hamm (54:13.448)
huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (54:15.264)
What do you mean? Like, well then if she was murdered, who did it? And I just started swirling like a psycho and bought the book on Amazon. And I'm telling you all of that happened podcast to my horror at the thought, to my curiosity at the thought, to the purchase that was 15 minutes, maybe. Maybe. No, I literally just came in the mail yesterday.

Mary Hamm (54:20.499)
Ha ha

Mary Hamm (54:37.065)
Have you read it yet?

Mary Hamm (54:40.904)
Okay. Okay.

Bill Dippel (54:41.189)
so you don't know if Meg, Joe, or Amy die as well. You're just

Mary Hamm (54:45.16)
It was Laurie.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (54:45.172)
I have no idea. All I know is Beth is dead.

Mary Hamm (54:48.533)
I love this so much and my activator is thirteen and I may just go and buy the book myself right now.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (54:55.99)
Girl, go get it. Go get it.

Bill Dippel (54:58.135)
I I love this. and you had you had tilted your hand on this one about there's some belief in here, right? And I'm starting to sense the belief side, right? I grew up with this book. I have a firm standing that this will never be a a change for us. I haven't gone to the sphere in Las Vegas, despite the fact I'm close to it, and watched the upgraded or changed Wizard of Oz, which is in the

Mary Hamm (55:05.075)
Right. Yes. Yes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (55:24.606)
Mmm.

Bill Dippel (55:25.231)
massive rotunda theater and they've added scent, like when the you know, they add wind in the theater when the when the when the hurricane or the tornadoes there. They add scents of the fields and different candy and they and the whole thing is just totally upgraded and and reshot so that it fills the massive area and you're actually in it. I haven't gone to it 'cause I remember so much as a young child watching it on a T V about this big, you know, a little small thing and

Mary Hamm (55:30.566)
What

Heidi Convery-Liscum (55:35.146)
Gosh.

Mary Hamm (55:39.987)
Wow.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (55:52.348)
I know. I know.

Mary Hamm (55:52.659)
Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (55:54.396)
And it's not that I'm against it. I think if I'm there I would definitely go. But I get it. I get the you can't really mess with the classic.

Mary Hamm (55:58.462)
Yeah. That's how I feel about Anne of Green Gables. Yeah. Yeah. That's my all time favorite, right? You don't mess with it. And then like I love the book. I still read the book like yearly and I watch the movies, but the movies with Megan follows and and the new series that came out. I'm like, No, that is wrong. It is not even close to the same and so that yeah. Yeah. It's real. It's real.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (56:09.11)
Yes, yes, yes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (56:22.614)
I I know. I gotta tell you though, I... And this isn't consistent with me. I... My learner, I'm very appreciative for my learner with belief. I think that without learner, I think I would find myself being stuck in my belief a lot. I think my learner adds a curiosity that helps me...

Mary Hamm (56:45.717)
that's so good.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (56:51.764)
get out of the mud or out of the cement a little bit with belief and recognizing what you know might not be totally true still. Like maybe we could move a little bit. And so.

Mary Hamm (56:54.707)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (57:02.911)
That's so good. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (57:03.084)
man.

Bill Dippel (57:07.856)
Ooh, somebody just did the if we could get the high belief people we coach all the time just to have the thought that I might be a little stuck here.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (57:16.542)
I I know. I'm most appreciative, I think, for learner. Actually, out of all my top 10, I think. Because that's the one that curiosity gets me every time. And I think that's why I've gotten to experience different things in life that I wouldn't have gotten to experience before.

Mary Hamm (57:18.804)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (57:24.948)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (57:36.356)
And that's that's fun. That's number two for you as your learner. for me, my number two is developer, and it's the one I resonate with the most. It's funny. My individualization is number one. so Jeff and I, you know, bond so well over that component. I miss Jeff right now, by the way. But anyway, I have that, but it's funny, my number two is the one that when people ask me, what is the driving force, what is the what is the one you bond with the most? It tends it almost always is developer.

Mary Hamm (57:39.914)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (57:43.176)
Hmm. Huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (57:51.05)
Yes. I know.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (58:06.443)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (58:06.763)
and then I use individualization to maybe again supercharge it. individualize what I'm trying to put together to make people better and then working to make to make very specific ideals or thoughts around what how we can work with those people. So developer, yeah, just I get it. It's number two for me, it's number two for you. Mary, how about on your side?

Mary Hamm (58:11.199)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (58:22.111)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (58:28.256)
What's your number two?

Mary Hamm (58:28.841)
My my number two is positivity and I would say that I am always in that zone. Like it is rare it is rare that I can't take a situation and and bring some hope, some good, some smile, some laughter from it. It gets me in trouble a lot, specifically at funerals or the such, you know, like, you know, it's happened, you know. but but

Bill Dippel (58:35.254)
I hadn't noticed.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (58:35.989)
Huh.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (58:51.478)
Sure. You know, no judgment.

Mary Hamm (58:57.597)
Yeah, positivity, but it also just supercharges the woo too. So there is that. it's we should somebody re maybe this is how I get my doctorate. I really I'm working on I just want to get a doctorate so I get a better parking spot at work. because there's doctor parking there and I was like, if I have PhD, do I get it? Right? Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (59:03.35)
Maybe there's something to this number two strength anchor thing.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (59:14.868)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (59:16.377)
Yeah. It's a good move. It's a good move. I think you're gonna write a book that just is called Twos and it'll be a research study on

Heidi Convery-Liscum (59:18.058)
That's a worthwhile cause. Come on.

Mary Hamm (59:24.597)
Yeah

Heidi Convery-Liscum (59:24.79)
Just don't make it like number, just don't say number two, because yeah, just gotta be twos.

Mary Hamm (59:28.605)
Like it's going to the twos. T W O S. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Bill Dippel (59:29.603)
Yeah, just say twos. Just twos. And then yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's that's all of your research. Put it together. I I'm in, I'm buying the book.

Mary Hamm (59:39.265)
Yeah. Although I also really wanna this is so off topic. I really wanna look at the correlation between people's strengths and diagnoses because frequently this might be a different episode, but frequently I find that there is some overlap between certain strengths and and diagnoses. And I right, yeah. So I will keep that to myself for the moment, but

Heidi Convery-Liscum (59:40.086)
Bye bye.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (59:58.369)
Ma'am? Ma'am?

Ma'am.

Mary Hamm (01:00:08.991)
We can talk about that off camera.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:00:10.634)
We will talk about that off camera because there is one particular correlation I have staggering data on that I've kept of my own people that I've coached over the last 10 years. It's insane. It is a one-to-one and I will die on that mountain.

Mary Hamm (01:00:22.55)
I would love to know what it is. I would agree. I am so excited to know what that is. my goodness. Okay.

Bill Dippel (01:00:31.479)
Hm. And that's good. We're teasing our arsonists. You you guys don't get to know. We're gonna get off off of this and then talk for another hour over data and make make that work.

Mary Hamm (01:00:39.19)
But I'm guessing that it'll probably be a future like we can talk about it in the future because it it would go right in line with like the what's the one where we check the unfiltered, right? l and and it could be an unfiltered one. So anyway. Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:00:54.678)
Mmm.

Bill Dippel (01:00:58.808)
Absolutely.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:00:58.836)
I would love for you to do research on this because I'm in the chicken and egg space with it, right? Is the diagnosis just, is it come out as a strength in this particular way? Or is the diagnosis a strength that's just misunderstood by the majority of the planet?

Mary Hamm (01:01:09.718)
Uh-huh.

Bill Dippel (01:01:11.019)
Or right.

Mary Hamm (01:01:15.584)
I yes. And I would really like to know, like when we're diagnosing kids early, are we just like demonizing a talent theme that they have and they've not harnessed yet? And so we put a diagnosis code to it, medicate them, and then you know, and we might be missing something here. So I'm just throwing it out there.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:01:23.071)
Mm-hmm.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:01:34.24)
Mary... Mary...

Mary, get the PhD. Please do this research.

Mary Hamm (01:01:42.964)
I got tinglies when I started talking about it, so

Bill Dippel (01:01:46.041)
See. Now the Tingleys tell us you gotta go down this road. I

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:01:49.364)
I'm here for you.

Mary Hamm (01:01:49.45)
Yeah, but ideation happens all the time. So

Bill Dippel (01:01:52.036)
Yeah. Yeah. We gotta keep Heidi we'll k we gotta keep her on focus. We're gonna be her accountability partner to push that. Say, remember how tingly you got on that. So well so howdy Heidi, how do you think we did? Did we nail what you thought some Okay. I mean, w was there one in particular that you feel we nailed? Like or were they all just pretty much on point?

Mary Hamm (01:01:56.779)
I know. I'm so sorry. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:01:57.086)
Okay, all right, done, done.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:02:02.676)
Alright, those were it. Those were my purchases.

Mary Hamm (01:02:03.358)
Okay. I love it.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:02:07.37)
I think you nailed it. I think you nailed it.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:02:20.374)
You were all pretty much on point. I'm pretty much you were on point all the way around I loved some of your additional thoughts on the false sneakers I Didn't I mean I I didn't see the influencing as much

Bill Dippel (01:02:25.007)
All right.

Bill Dippel (01:02:38.861)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:02:38.918)
As and until after you pointed it out I really was focused more on the fact on Includer actually of me wanting to be part of the group and not on the outside with a different shoe not realizing the pull of those influencing strengths of significance of self-assurance of maximizer

Bill Dippel (01:02:41.337)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:02:46.627)
Right. Right.

Mary Hamm (01:02:48.106)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:02:56.939)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:02:57.273)
And I think that's an important point you bring up in how we see our strengths is so different than how other people see them on us. And we don't always see them as accurately as some other people do. But to that end, which one of us is right? Is it the people observing them or the people living them? And the reality is we know it there is no one right answer. It is really you telling us how you use the theme and whether it's a strength or a weakness in that moment. But it is fun.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:03:05.11)
Yes.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:03:17.706)
Yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:03:18.708)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:03:24.95)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:03:25.878)
you

Bill Dippel (01:03:26.123)
as coaches, how often we get to see a strength in action point it out to somebody and they go, Nope, that's not what I'm using at all. Until ten minutes later they're like, my God, is that it? And we just had Cole Mags on who just did a whole sequence at the end. he's so good. And we just did a sequence at the end where he had to go through that a two week learning period where he was like, Nope, doesn't fit, doesn't fit, doesn't fit, doesn't fit. And two weeks later he's like, It is exactly who I am. So

Mary Hamm (01:03:33.279)
Right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:03:41.007)
Aww, love Cole.

Mary Hamm (01:03:44.128)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (01:03:48.874)
Yeah. It's not me, it's not me. This is right.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:03:49.046)
you

Bill Dippel (01:03:55.566)
How often we get to see this blossom for people and and pull power from it. Really, really insightful.

Mary Hamm (01:03:59.415)
Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is. Yeah. I was so anti includer when I first got my report back. I was an anti includer and I was like, This is not me. I don't understand this at all And then like my coach was like pointing out various things and we talked about early life things and I was like, Okay, fine, it's me.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:04:01.077)
Yeah. that's awesome.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:04:20.214)
You know, Includer is the strength out of all of them, Includer and Learner are the two that I can point to specific moments in my childhood where I think those were birthed. The rest of the strengths I think are kind of, have been flow and they, you know, whatever were influenced by multiple things. But those two have always been ones that I know where they came from. Or like,

Bill Dippel (01:04:21.103)
Darn it.

Mary Hamm (01:04:33.696)
Hmm. Mm. interesting.

Mary Hamm (01:04:41.194)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:04:50.366)
And Includer, I mean, there was no denying that one for me. That is just fabric.

Bill Dippel (01:04:54.829)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I've always struggled with how Mary has positivity on hers. It just doesn't it I know, right? It's such an oddity for her. I I never

Mary Hamm (01:04:57.398)
Yeah, yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:02.358)
It doesn't fit. I know. She just brings the mood down.

Mary Hamm (01:05:04.052)
Doesn't I know I know.

I know I know Mood sucker, yep, life sucker.

Bill Dippel (01:05:09.455)
She's such a such a stick in the mud so frequently. I you have to drag her out of her shell on this in this podcast. It's just difficult.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:18.378)
My god, Mary!

Mary Hamm (01:05:18.87)
Also, hey, that is really interesting though, because that's the shirt I chose. I chose positivity over woo. So that is, maybe it is a twos.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:26.774)
Hmm... It's a tooth!

Bill Dippel (01:05:30.959)
We all admit the two is

Mary Hamm (01:05:31.72)
Interesting. Like I didn't pick the woo shirt, I picked the positivity shirt.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:33.876)
This is...

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:37.834)
This is...

Bill Dippel (01:05:40.375)
Interesting. Wow.

Mary Hamm (01:05:42.283)
man. Okay, we're gonna have to start wrapping this up, you know.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:43.048)
You know, I know this has been forever.

Bill Dippel (01:05:45.146)
We gotta go. I mean, Heidi, I we've you have shirts to sell, you have you have merchandising you gotta get done. You've gotta go apologize to Jeff for all the things you said on this podcast before it comes out. There's some purchases we gotta worry about. There's a Tory Birch thing coming up, we gotta get out of the way. There's I know so much good stuff we gotta pull out of this, but Heidi, I absolutely love

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:05:54.304)
Yes.

There is that. There is that.

Mary Hamm (01:05:58.092)
Ha ha.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:06:04.432)
I... What are you gonna do? The list is forever long.

Mary Hamm (01:06:07.744)
Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (01:06:13.891)
what you bring to the coaching community with us. We have loved having your your shirts and your and your bag tags and your pens and the stuff we get to nobody does. Here I'll show it one more time for you. I nobody really has one except me. I I don't know, it's seems like a rarity. Boy, I'm telling you, right now I will buy it 'cause no one else has it, Jeff. Just just telling you. That's no one and now that and

Mary Hamm (01:06:21.962)
I don't have a bag tag, by the way. I don't have one.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:06:24.214)
They're coming, Mary. They're coming.

Boy that's gotta fuel that individualization to the moon, does it not? Okay.

Mary Hamm (01:06:38.827)
my goodness.

Bill Dippel (01:06:42.445)
By the way, when they become fully available, I'm gonna be like, Yeah, it's okay. I don't know. Now I'm gonna be like, It'll always be on my bag though. Always. So and it's because of you, Heidi. So thank you for all that you bring to the coaching community. Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:06:45.31)
I know he'll sell it. He'll resell it. You're the best. you guys, thanks for having me. This has been amazing.

Mary Hamm (01:06:50.568)
No. Yes.

This is so amazing.

Bill Dippel (01:06:58.389)
And thank you very much for coming in with the la one of the labs we have not done yet, having you step out of your comfort zone. So that is so much fun to see how you did that and allowing us pick your brain on what themes you think you were using at what time and were they a strength or a weakness. So thank you for that. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:07:02.622)
Right. Yeah, yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:07:02.718)
Yeah!

Mary Hamm (01:07:14.464)
Yeah.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:07:14.622)
Love it. You're welcome. Good luck anybody else who chooses that one. It won't be topped. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:07:18.311)
No, that's a tough I mean the bar is high. The bar is high. Yeah. Plus plus I could get a free shirt and then I'll always say Heidi was the best guest ever. I mean, there is that.

Mary Hamm (01:07:18.652)
Right. Mm. It it's true. It's true.

Mary Hamm (01:07:28.358)
Ha ha

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:07:29.332)
You could just name it the Heidi Lab and that's just known as the the Strinks experiment.

Mary Hamm (01:07:33.142)
Heidi Lab The Heidi Lab

Bill Dippel (01:07:34.011)
Interesting. The high some of our guests are naming the labs after themselves. I think I think we may have a hit on our hands. We're gonna see. That's really good. Heidi, Mary nailed it. Your your hair is perfect again today. So thank you. I'm glad I've been kicked off once again. Another podcast. so next time you guys see the photo together, share the tear.

Mary Hamm (01:07:40.458)
The hidey wind.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:07:41.215)
I just...

Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (01:07:49.526)
Hashtag hair goals.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:07:51.552)
Y'all are crazy. Y'all are crazy.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:08:00.202)
Yes. Mary.

Bill Dippel (01:08:00.239)
And in that I just want to say thank you to our arsonists. Thank you to everybody that listens. Thank you to Mary's mother for watching. And we will talk soon.

Mary Hamm (01:08:07.478)
Hey mom.

See ya.

Heidi Convery-Liscum (01:08:11.585)
Good to see you guys.