Strengths On Fire

Bill Dippel (00:02.24)
And a wonderful day. Sarah Collins, how are you?

Sarah Collins (00:07.154)
Hi, I'm so good, how are you?

Bill Dippel (00:09.534)
I am really good. It's just really good. get to go. I know you don't care. I know, but I get to go to a golf course I've always loved today and I get to go like once a year to this golf course. So no, I know I, I completely get it. I am. I only get this once a year and I didn't go last year. So, and it's, it's one of the prettiest courses in the Sierra Nevada, I think so.

Sarah Collins (00:20.857)
Wow, I mean, I care about your happiness. I just don't care about golf. You know, that's the difference. So I'm glad that you're excited.

Sarah Collins (00:33.895)
so your dress, you got a beautiful shirt on it for the folks on YouTube. This was a really poppin'.

Bill Dippel (00:38.643)
I do well. I so I gotta I gotta take off right after this. So I had to get everything ready, right? I you know, yeah, clubs are in the car that yeah, I am set.

Sarah Collins (00:44.517)
He's ready to go. I know. Right after this, I am going to have a late lunch with my friend, my dear friend Hannah, who's in from New York City. So me too, you you get to go golf, which you love, and I get to go, you know, have a late lunch and gab with a gal. So we both get to do what we love after this. Let's get this thing moving.

Bill Dippel (01:06.173)
That's well, we got a lot to do here. We got some people we got to get through. We got to have some fun with this. Well, speaking of my my golf obsession and your lack of golf, I guess love at right love. I'll go with love. No interest period. Offbeat question for you. What is the pettiest hill you're willing to die on? And what strength does it play when you're doing it?

Sarah Collins (01:10.343)
EEEE-

Megan Baker (01:11.796)
See ya.

Sarah Collins (01:17.978)
Interest, yes.

Megan Baker (01:20.724)
you

Sarah Collins (01:23.419)
No.

Megan Baker (01:26.964)
you

Sarah Collins (01:34.375)
Okay, I feel like I don't immediately fully comprehend the question. Like, pettiest hill I'm gonna die on. Like, can you give me an example of what a petty hill would be?

Bill Dippel (01:45.261)
Sure. So like I take a, I take a stance on people walking their dogs and letting them do their business on my lawn. That's a pretty petty hill, right? I don't, I don't need to, right. And they're all walking their dogs here and I'm like, get to the park, go do it there. Right. That's a pretty petty hill for me to, be on. So, um, and when I'm there, right, what is the strength at play? Right. I might.

Sarah Collins (01:53.095)
yeah

Sarah Collins (01:57.329)
That is true, because you live by a park and...

Right. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (02:06.745)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (02:11.296)
I might think individualization or you pick it on me as an individual or, you know, something like that. So, I mean, I'll answer that's my answer to the question right there, because you're going to ask me in a second. Right. I I actually changed my entire front yard. I no longer have grass. So I have a raised walls and fake grass, mostly because I like the look and we put in a bunch of planters and other stuff. But dogs can no longer. Well, shouldn't say no, can't. But, you know, it's a thing of the past now. And

Sarah Collins (02:13.185)
Mmm... Yeah...

Sarah Collins (02:20.507)
Right answer. Right.

Sarah Collins (02:26.982)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (02:41.418)
I even acknowledge how petty that hill is for me. Why? I mean, how are you going to thank you very much. How, how can you control, you know, a dog that has to urinate, you know, on the lawn? get it. Right. So

Sarah Collins (02:44.677)
Yeah, I also acknowledge it.

Sarah Collins (02:55.599)
Right. Yeah. So as a dog owner and dog walker, you cannot control it. And we just take them outside and they pee on people's grass. is how it works.

Bill Dippel (02:59.789)
Well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, which, again, I would say, right, not your lawn. Now you're killing my lawn. So thank you for that. Yeah, well, that's not my fault. So again, you get the Petty Hill, right? So how about you? What is your Petty Hill?

Sarah Collins (03:09.493)
He pees on my lawn all the time too.

Megan Baker (03:14.163)
you

Sarah Collins (03:14.407)
So true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. Man, I wish I had something coming to my mind the whole time you're talking. I'm trying to simultaneously listen to you and think I'm sure I have some like I'm definitely not above pettiness by any means. I'm trying to process like I feel like it probably is something in conversation. Like part of me feels like I hate I don't know if this is

this is considered it, but like when people are like one uppers, I've always, I've known a few in my life and it's always drove me crazy. And again, like now that I am more evolved, I have been to more therapy, I do more coaching. I can see it more as like, I wonder why they feel compelled to prove that they've done something, you know, like I can kind of see it from their point of view.

Megan Baker (03:48.763)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (03:51.039)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (04:12.87)
But younger Sarah was just like, man, that girl, you could be like, I had a surprise birthday party once. And she'd be like, I had two surprise birthday parties once. And you'd be like, OK, wow, sure you did, sure. You know, that sort of thing. But I don't know if that really qualifies into your question. You're going to have to. Yeah?

Megan Baker (04:30.437)
Mine kind of falls along with you, Sarah. Like there's two small pet peeves I have and one of them is Hawaiian lays and car mirrors hanging from a car mirror. And then, you know, the very manly bits and pieces they hang from the back of a truck. What compels you? I don't get that, but it's, it's, you know, a one-up thing in some way. Like, okay, you've been to Hawaii. All right. We're.

Bill Dippel (04:30.62)
No, I don't... No...

Sarah Collins (04:38.586)
Sarah Collins (04:46.635)
yes!

Bill Dippel (04:47.764)
yes, yes. Right.

Sarah Collins (04:55.332)
Right. Wow, very cool for you, yeah.

Bill Dippel (04:58.027)
And now there's a 12 year old dead lay that's just, you know, crumpling on your dash.

Sarah Collins (05:02.306)
Yeah, sun drenched when it loses all of its color because the sun has washed it out.

Bill Dippel (05:08.491)
Right, right. Yeah, I don't it's funny. I don't get the yeah, I don't get the manly parts on the back of trucks either So living in the west and a lot of ranches around here and Sarah the same in your area, right? Lot a lot of farming a lot of ranching going on Yeah, it's uh

Megan Baker (05:15.218)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (05:19.994)
Yeah. A lot of Midwesters, yeah. They like to prove that they've got some Meggonads on the back of the truck, I guess.

Bill Dippel (05:27.723)
As a guy who even loved my trucks, I'm not even certain I needed to signify this by, you know, by masculating my truck. So I get it. So, well, you know what our as our pet peeve expert has come chimed in with us today, let's talk about our guest. I I like the two that you brought up, Megan. That's really, really good. I think Sarah avoided the question completely, but Megan, very nicely done. Right. Bringing those in. So.

Sarah Collins (05:34.65)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah!

Sarah Collins (05:44.686)
Let's do.

Megan Baker (05:52.723)
You

Bill Dippel (05:55.258)
I would I want to say a really hearty welcome to Megan Baker. She is a friend of mine. I've been able to play golf a couple of times with Megan at couple of places around town. And we met at a social event because our woos were on fire together. And ever since then, we've kind of been hanging out. I met your family really well. And we've all played golf together a couple of times and done some fun functions and events. So.

Megan Baker (06:05.298)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (06:12.179)
And they were.

Bill Dippel (06:22.826)
During the course of that we realized she was a pretty big strengths enthusiast so we thought, I can't think of anyone better to have on to talk about a pretty broad subject today. So, Megan, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us.

Megan Baker (06:32.871)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (06:36.797)
Thank you. It's good to be here.

Sarah Collins (06:39.34)
I love it, Megan. Thank you for being here with us today. We love our strengths enthusiasts. Could you share with the audience your top 10?

Megan Baker (06:48.231)
My top 10. Number one, achiever, learner, woo, communication,

Sarah Collins (06:49.38)
Your top 10 strengths.

Sarah Collins (07:04.431)
she's hitting us with four strategic thinking themes, three influencing two relationship building and one executing right there at the top with that achiever.

Bill Dippel (07:12.572)
I know that achiever, right? And look at the influencing leading on the domain charge as well. So the Gallup Strengths report saying she is an influencing person, which as we know, as Gallup coaches is is kind of the rarity, right? It's it's the least common of the overarching themes that we see. But again, as I've brought up many times, who the best theme, either that or individualization, but who?

Sarah Collins (07:18.66)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (07:28.196)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (07:40.206)
on fire for Megan and I at at a an event for a fellow client and we just bumped into each other and I'm like, well, you seem cool. She was like, well, you seem cool. Let's talk. And the woo just took off. Right. We I don't think we got separated for the rest of that event and didn't stop laughing. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (07:52.08)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (07:55.057)
Yeah, it was easy. I don't think so either. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (08:00.135)
Okay, I have to ask you a question though. This is like a side question, but for the people listening, the strengths enthusiasts, the coaches out there, when you look at a Gallup 34 report, Bill, and you see one through 10, here are the strengths and the Gallup calls out, you lead with influencing strengths.

Bill Dippel (08:13.918)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (08:18.877)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (08:21.137)
But technically in her top 10, she has more strategic thinking. Now I get there further to the bottom of her top 10. Do you take what Gallup says hard and fast with that? you let the client decide? Do you go based on how many they have total? What is your strategy as a coach to help someone determine which domain they lead from?

Bill Dippel (08:24.649)
She does.

Bill Dippel (08:32.84)
Hmm.

Bill Dippel (08:41.564)
Yeah, I, so.

I will tell clients, cause I think I have to fight this with clients frequently who read that in the box and they say, well, okay, so I can now narrow down to I'm an influencing overall, right? And think Myers-Briggs, ENFP setting us in boxes and quite frequently the math doesn't work when you see that box. When we see, you know, I've seen where there's just one theme and there's many of the others in there, but

Sarah Collins (08:49.169)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (08:55.836)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (09:13.049)
Gallup took away the ratios of what the percentages are for those years ago So while I think us as strengths coaches on the outside don't know the math and that specific Algorithm that they're using to produce what they claim is the most I would say I actually have to fight it more than reinforce it. So Megan for instance on yours Influencing is number one and you know, we see that achiever and learner are both higher

Sarah Collins (09:17.095)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (09:39.421)
than your influencing themes and that's strategic and executing. So quite often I'll say we don't know the math behind that, but I need to talk to you about where you do step in. And Megan, you may be an influencer based on what I know about you, right? How we've met, how we got together when we're playing golf and you're wooing the entire golf course and laughing and we're having fun. It could be that influencing is yours. But Sarah, I think to your point, generally we've got a...

In my mind, we have to let the client define that for us and then highlight where that fits the best. don't. Yeah, I definitely do not fall hard and fast on that on that on that sentence. I will point it out to clients what it says and say that is the only unique thing in that box. Other than that, it's a definition. But we don't fall on that, right? We don't make sure that there's something else going on there that we have to stick with that. How about you?

Sarah Collins (10:22.298)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (10:35.438)
Yeah, I mean, I think and I could be wrong about this and wrong about stuff all the time. In my mind, they are pulling what they say is your dominant domain from your top five. To me, it always aligns with whatever you have the most in the top five. So if you look at Megan's top five, she has two influencing and then relationship building, strategic thinking and executing. And that's to me how they got it. But because I coach on the full top 10.

Bill Dippel (10:48.488)
Yum.

Sarah Collins (11:04.228)
And like when I pull a cascade report for individuals, the personal insights will give me a pie chart of the full top 10. We would see that it would be heavier strategic thinking for her and then influencing. And like you, I'm gonna have a conversation with the client. Like I'm always like, we're not gonna let the assessment tell us who you are. We're gonna let you tell us who you are. But I do like to point that out to clients because I do think it can trip them up of like, whoa.

Why does this say influencing when I actually have more strategic thinking themes?

Bill Dippel (11:35.272)
Yeah. Well, and to break the mold on your thoughts, Sarah, looking at your 34 report, you have more influencing in your top five than relationship. But it says relationship is what you lead with. So that alone takes apart your top five only capacity theory. Right. Again, we don't know the math that's behind that. But that is exactly what I have to fight with clients sometimes. Well, if we just look at the top five, why isn't influencing the number one? Right. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (11:44.058)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (11:52.879)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (12:02.022)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a great point. I never look at my own report. What a great shakeup that was!

Bill Dippel (12:06.248)
Well, just so so coaches in the world read your report, right? Understand what it says. You know, don't worry about it. But again, sir, I agree. I just find that it's not necessarily a tool that I that I lead with. I honestly feel and I point this out regularly that that aligns with so many other assessments out there. So Myers Briggs goes to the four disc has the four.

Sarah Collins (12:13.368)
Yeah, look at your own report. That's hilarious.

Sarah Collins (12:31.024)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (12:35.312)
We needed something that would align and make a four that kind of aligned in that way. So in my opinion, I might point that out to clients that that's different.

Sarah Collins (12:39.396)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (12:48.42)
Yeah, yeah. Well, just a little side conversation for all you enthusiasts listening out there and coaches, you coaches, you can definitely come on, comment on this episode and tell us where you think we're wrong.

Bill Dippel (12:58.587)
Yeah, because no doubt we're wrong somewhere. I'll guarantee you that. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (13:01.122)
Yeah, I'm sure I, I'm wrong all the time and I'm comfortable with it. But what I'm not wrong about is today's topic, which I'm so excited to have Megan here with us to debate about. And it is, if you had to pick one, one Clifton strength that could change the world, which would it be and why? now, holy crumbs. I'm just going to say right off the top, we can acknowledge that this is going to be extremely difficult.

because as we know, and we've said time and time again on this show, all 34 themes have extreme value and they all work together and they show up different. So we have set ourselves up for a challenge, but I wanna force us. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, because of course like this is impossible. This is just like for funsies, like, oh, let's just imagine the world in a different place.

Bill Dippel (13:40.197)
Yeah.

Yeah, we're going to get some comments on this one, right? For sure. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (13:55.257)
And so we're just going to force ourselves to think about what do you think the world is missing and or what could add flavor or even like, are we trying to make the world better? Are we trying to make the world more peaceful, more innovative, more connected, more productive? Like, what are we trying to even do to change the world? So lots to debate here on this episode. Any hot takes to get us going?

Bill Dippel (14:18.863)
Well, I'll jump right in to because Megan, this is such a hot topic. don't you know, I brought in us a strong feminine presence today to handle this question. So kudos to you. Right. I would start with for me, if I when I started reading this question pre show and thinking about where I was going to go for me, it's my developer is the one that I would think makes the world a better place because in my.

Megan Baker (14:32.143)
Thanks.

Sarah Collins (14:41.698)
No.

Bill Dippel (14:47.206)
In my usage of developer, I'm so busy trying to make the people around me just better and in that way There's a lot of other influencing themes that happen in that right or you know I should say relationship themes but it Influences so many other ways and interactions I have with people Sometimes negatively I I can associate that sometimes people are like I don't need to be helped. You know, who are you right? I saw a stranger walking by just a little while ago

Sarah Collins (14:58.182)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (15:07.546)
Hmm?

Sarah Collins (15:11.333)
Right.

Bill Dippel (15:16.326)
And I, she's walking her dog and I, because of where my office is and where the studio is, I see everybody going up and down the street. And, a couple months ago I stopped her because she had stopped going up and down the street and I kind of know everybody here. And I stopped her and said, Hey, you're back on my street. Congratulations. Good to see you coming back and forth. And she's walking this really big Doberman and she walks by and she goes, this is my street too. And I was like, okay.

No, I get it. She goes, your street? mean, and I'm like, no, mean, I OK, I get it. Right. Sorry. And again, am I just trying to develop and build up somebody and say, hey, good job walking your dog and, know, I'm glad you're out here having fun and hey, this is a great street to walk on. You know, just don't go on my lawn, you know, whatever it is. But all of that comes together. And I think somebody read it is, you know, how is this your street? Why and why shouldn't I walk here? And what's you know, and I was like,

Sarah Collins (16:10.479)
Right. Maybe she was picking up your pettiness because she was like, I've seen you eye me when my dog pees in your lawn. Don't be trying to be passive aggressive about your street.

Bill Dippel (16:17.586)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Might have been, could have been the woo, right? Yeah, I got to, got to, I got to she the woo every now and then, right? I can't, I can't have it out there being the, leading the charge, right? So yeah, I, and again, you know, I'm sure whatever the interaction was, was, it was completely perfect on her end and I get it. Plus I'm a six foot four guy, right?

Megan Baker (16:19.021)
Yeah, maybe it was some of that woo, Bill, actually. You might've been wooing that one there.

Sarah Collins (16:24.231)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (16:47.565)
talking to someone on the street. I have to be conscious of that. and I am, I always try to be really, really conscious and careful and making sure that I'm not sneaking up on people by accident. And you know, I get that right.

Megan Baker (16:58.659)
Yeah, I mean, I'm a six foot two woman walking on the street and so I do have to be careful of that as well.

Bill Dippel (17:02.222)
I know, I know.

Sarah Collins (17:02.759)
Are you really? No way. Okay, I want to have like a whole side conversation about that life. Does everyone ask you if you play volleyball or basketball your whole life?

Bill Dippel (17:05.503)
Yeah. Yeah.

Megan Baker (17:09.315)
Yeah. Yeah, I am. Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (17:10.904)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (17:14.915)
Every minute I meet someone, they look at my face and then they look at my feet and then they look at my face again. Yeah. And then you must have played sports. So I throw them for a loop. Sometimes I tell them I was a model, you know, or something completely different so that they're like, really? And then I like, you know, yeah, yeah.

Sarah Collins (17:17.264)
Yes.

Bill Dippel (17:20.791)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (17:22.083)
huh. huh.

Sarah Collins (17:27.719)
Yes, Supermodel for sure. I love that tall people really have a hard life. I have a brother-in-law who's like edging on seven foot, like super tall. And I actually feel bad for him because every time we're with him and we go someplace, people are really like, hey, hey, dude, can I talk to you about how tall you are? Do you play basketball? And he also did not. And so anyways, that's a side tangent of

Bill Dippel (17:34.306)
Yeah. Yeah.

Megan Baker (17:41.798)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (17:53.241)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (17:56.835)
Yeah, yeah. have a right. Yeah, my wife's best friend lives in Colorado and her husband dwarfs me and I'm six four, like 240 pounds, right? And I look like I'm just so small compared to him and he is huge. He's, he's like your, your, your story is getting to the seven, but he's proportional every way. Right? So when he's walking down the street and he's a mile away, you can't really tell he's like, that looks like a big guy.

Sarah Collins (17:57.74)
The tall people in the room, give it up!

Sarah Collins (18:08.518)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (18:13.06)
Wow.

Sarah Collins (18:16.442)
My brother-in-law.

Sarah Collins (18:20.324)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (18:21.009)
Jeez.

Megan Baker (18:25.009)
Whoa.

Bill Dippel (18:25.541)
Then he gets near you and you're like, Oh my God. So we all went to Mexico together and everywhere we went, was like, you know, I sometimes I get sideways looks and like, dude, you're you know, wow, you're you're a big guy. Nobody noticed me. I was like under the radar. He was everyone was like, Oh my God, you're a mountain. Yeah. So yeah. And yeah.

Sarah Collins (18:28.416)
Sarah Collins (18:40.622)
Yeah. Like a celebrity. Yeah. Okay. So we'll bring it back to developers. So what I'm hearing you say, Bill, is you think if everyone in the world had developer, then they would be more focused on how do we teach, coach, mentor other people to get the best of them. And then that is what the world needs.

Bill Dippel (19:04.236)
I would say we would consider other people more might be the answer to that question. I don't know that we need to be always developing coaching because I just brought up a, for instance, where that might've failed, right? I would say it's just thinking about other people when you're and knowing how this might help us both, right? And, you know, not to keep hitting the hammer on the nail, but when Megan and I met, I think we were both looking at how do we...

Sarah Collins (19:08.317)
Mmm. Okay.

Sarah Collins (19:14.809)
Right?

Sarah Collins (19:20.271)
Okay.

Sarah Collins (19:24.037)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (19:33.965)
How do we build this into something more? Right. She's she's she was pitching a specific service that she does here in town. Obviously, I'm always out there saying, hey, if I find a fascinating client, I want to work with them. But on top of that, there was something more. There was a structure. Plus, we were both so tall we could see each other over the crowd everywhere we went. you know, we kept. Yeah, we kept finding each other. So for me on the on the topic, the developer side, I just if we're all considering other people. Right. And understanding it.

Megan Baker (19:52.305)
Yeah, it was easy to talk. We could hear each other. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (20:01.829)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (20:02.734)
But we can get crushed by that. I've admitted before I I get crushed sometimes from the relationship side. So, yeah, yeah.

Sarah Collins (20:05.327)
No.

Yeah, yeah, that's a you know, I think that's a strong contender. Megan, what's your first instinct? What do you think the world needs?

Megan Baker (20:17.584)
This is a hard topic. of course, Eileen on my top 10 to choose something because it comes from a place of knowledge and I picked Includer. So yeah, it's my understanding that strength isn't necessarily, it's helping others to understand and respect differences, but that more so Includers kind of see people, they see past that and they see everyone as the same.

Sarah Collins (20:26.47)
Okay, say more!

Bill Dippel (20:27.184)
Ooh, go on.

Sarah Collins (20:44.022)
Yeah, they're very others focused.

Megan Baker (20:47.696)
And I think that's important because soliciting the thoughts and feelings of other people can lead to change perspective. Sometimes if we don't seek that information, we don't have clarity. So we're left to assume something. And a lot of times people assume the wrong thing. So I had some notes here. What did I say about that? No one is a mind reader.

Sarah Collins (20:57.573)
Yup.

Sarah Collins (21:04.1)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (21:15.748)
But we tend to fill in the gaps with the wrong information leading to stereotypes or sometimes even just poor judgment about what's going on or interactions between each other.

Bill Dippel (21:25.59)
Yeah. No? Wow. I feel...

Sarah Collins (21:26.014)
Mm-hmm. Yes. And you know, I do hear, though, that if everyone has included her, I will have so many party invites, I will not know what to do with myself. Everyone will be like, you should come, you should come, you should come.

Bill Dippel (21:35.948)
Hehehehehe

Megan Baker (21:37.656)
Well, someone will go in your absence because they've never been invited and they're excited to go. Like, don't worry about it.

Sarah Collins (21:45.882)
That's true. You make a good point.

Bill Dippel (21:47.362)
Yeah, I feel as if you're mirroring the Includer and Developer together, right? We're both conscious of other people. We're thinking, in your scenario, it's how do we include them? How do we bring them in? In mine, it might be how do we all work together to make something better? And if I'm fueling you in some way, if you're getting better, how does that fuel me? I love it. We both picked a relationship theme. And I think all of the...

Sarah Collins (22:15.408)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (22:16.564)
non-relationship people listening to the podcast are going to be like, not even close.

Sarah Collins (22:21.583)
Right? Well, and that's what I was going to say. I mean, we all must value connection in some sort, because my first instinct, and I have a lot of thoughts about this, but my first instinct is empathy and almost sounds like your Includer Megan. Like, I feel like if we had more compassion, more true understanding, we could have more connection in the world, right? More.

just like open-mindedness, you know, we could be open to that, to other people. And I, like as a relationship builder, I think like, what the world needs is more connection. We need more like in real life, people to people, like we are a species that are meant to be together. And with that, we have to understand each other. And I think a lot of times when people go into isolation, it's cause they don't feel seen, they don't feel valued, they don't feel heard.

And so if we were all more able to hear and understand, and I don't even have this thing, by the way, I don't even have empathy, but I just think like, could make the world so much better because we would get it. However, I'm fully able to recognize that like I coach people with empathy and I'm always like, I literally will say to people with high empathy, it is a superpower, but with great power comes great responsibility and it can be extremely dangerous.

to have high empathy and not know how to put boundaries around it. Right? Very, very detrimental to some people and very hard to control depending on your power and control with your empathy. And so I also can recognize, we might, we could slip into some also bad places if we just had all of this like untethered empathy out there for everybody, we might not get anything done.

Bill Dippel (23:46.539)
Very much, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sarah Collins (24:10.657)
I don't know if you know and we might not be productive.

Bill Dippel (24:10.913)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (24:13.422)
Yeah. And just accept everything the way it is, right? Like, it's, empathy.

Bill Dippel (24:13.545)
Yeah, let me be the model for that. Yeah, yeah, let me be the model for that because empathy is number six for me. So that is that is one of the ones that gets stepped on hard. When you know, I like the scenario I brought up, right? I'm like, OK, you know, what did I do wrong? Right. It's the how I absorbing other people's feelings and seeing where they go. And it's 13 for you, Sarah. So it's not.

Megan Baker (24:21.146)
Uh-uh.

Sarah Collins (24:32.316)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (24:39.444)
you know, out of the out of the park, right? But I find it fascinating. You picked one that isn't in your top five, right? Megan and I picked picked some that are in our top 10 and worse. You know, we're we're trying to lead the charge with those fascinating. You picked one you don't possess. I think that's that's pretty amazing.

Sarah Collins (24:46.407)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (24:56.037)
Yeah, you know, I just don't possess a lot of ego, think. There's other, not, yeah, that definitely sounded like a diss to you guys, sorry.

Megan Baker (25:02.099)
Thanks, Sarah.

Bill Dippel (25:05.759)
Wow. Wow, Sarah. All right. To all of our future guests, don't worry. It's Sarah. You know, we'll edit those out, Sarah. know, there's the perfect example right there. Right. Yeah. And by the way, Megan called it out. Empathy's number 30 for her. So that's perfect. Right. That was a good. Yeah. That was really good. So.

Megan Baker (25:13.456)
Empathy's obviously not on her. No, I'm kidding.

Sarah Collins (25:14.403)
Well... Yeah, no kidding. ba dum bum. Thanks, Megan. Yeah.

Megan Baker (25:26.296)
It is. Yeah. I think it's in the top five for my husband. So it's a good partnership, right? You want to be around those people that kind of create that yin and yang for you. It makes me aware when I'm like, yeah, I should have been a little more sensitive to that. It's good. You're right.

Sarah Collins (25:28.315)
That's hilarious.

Sarah Collins (25:36.825)
Absolutely.

Sarah Collins (25:41.103)
Yes, which I think is a great thing, is a great testament to the fact that we're probably lucky that there's not one strength that everyone in the world shares because I do think we need the yin and yang and like bringing different things because too much of anything is probably going to be too much. But I love exploring it. Like we've explored these relationship building themes, but like pick a different domain, pick like.

Bill Dippel (25:41.492)
love it. I love it.

Megan Baker (25:54.181)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (25:59.86)
now.

Sarah Collins (26:06.018)
What if the world had more strategic thinking themes? What if the world had more futuristic? What do you think? What would it look like?

Megan Baker (26:10.457)
Well, see, yeah, sir. That's like, when I was looking at this, I was like, the smart people are going to be smart and they're going to do their thing anyway. Right. And, and the emotional people are going to be emotional anyway. And so that's why the Includer is great. Cause it's like, bring it all together. We need every strength in this room to, propel the world forward and to be better at what we all want to do. And it's not going to fall in everybody's wheelhouse that they're going to know. So

Sarah Collins (26:24.793)
yeah.

Sarah Collins (26:34.246)
Wow, that you really did put some thinking into that.

Bill Dippel (26:38.271)
She was there. She rocked that, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Megan Baker (26:38.351)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (26:40.91)
Yeah. And honestly, if we all had futuristic, I Megan, you've got near top 10. If we all had futuristic, we probably would keep making a lot of the same mistakes. We wouldn't have those contacts. People would be like, you know, we already did that. I don't know. You're really running ahead here. We've already done it. We'd have all, everyone would just be chasing, you know, dreams and vision, which could be great. Maybe we could actually solve some problems. Maybe we would get some people to create some real vision and optimism.

Megan Baker (26:47.417)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (26:55.214)
Right?

Sarah Collins (27:10.84)
optimism for global problems in our world because they would be really focused on how do we make this world a better place. I don't know. I don't know. What do you think?

Bill Dippel (27:11.07)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (27:19.601)
I was, I was dancing around that and I'm really glad you kind of drove it home, Sarah, which was, I was like, you know, other people are going to be like, great, great relationships. No, it's past. You're absolutely right. Right. What would happen if we could ramp up the, maybe the influencing and really make sure that that's working or, the strategic themes and those, those came in and they were heavily run. Right. I, I looked at Megan's and deliberative's number 34 and I was, I was trying to make a case in my mind for deliberative.

Sarah Collins (27:45.922)
Amen.

Bill Dippel (27:48.765)
I don't know that I can, you know, touching back on, touching back on, Megan and I selected ones that are in our top five. I think for me, I selected that because when I'm in flow, when I'm feeling really good and I think, you know, I'm meeting the most of the people around me, that's the one I think that's fueling me. And Megan, would that be fair for you and Includer as well?

Megan Baker (28:11.471)
Mm.

Megan Baker (28:15.843)
gosh, I can't say that. I feel like when I was researching and looking into this thought process, there is some other elements in that top five that play into it for me. And maybe it's because of that blend. I, you know, in my own life and it was in my past life, the work, it was crucial for me to include all members of my staff. and that power of a united team, they move mountains. you get their buy-in because they feel like,

Bill Dippel (28:25.222)
Of course, yeah.

Sarah Collins (28:41.26)
Okay.

Megan Baker (28:44.749)
they are relevant and they have a say in what's going to happen. And as a leader, think, especially if you have limited resources, having everybody feel a part of the team and move on, I can't say the Includer helped that, but I also think there was a large part of like achiever and communication working too, because it wasn't going to work by itself. We can't just sit around and kumbaya like that's fun. But at the end of the day, you also have some work that you have to get done. So

Sarah Collins (29:01.798)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (29:02.61)
Sure.

Megan Baker (29:11.255)
I don't know that one lean too heavily. Includer has to be the powerful part of why the other things function in certain environments. So yeah.

Bill Dippel (29:19.135)
From a coaching point of view we often point out at least I do Sarah I assume you do some version of this is some of the themes supercharge each other I'll use that term right so when we talk about communication and woo for you Right a good woo quite often needs something I need to communicate what I'm you know And and we don't see woo in communication all the time next to each other but we do You know when they are in that in that vein together we

Sarah Collins (29:27.898)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (29:38.02)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (29:48.388)
I sometimes point out that's really going to supercharge. You your communication is going to take off because of your woo and your woo is going to get fueled as you're communicating. So those will point out quite often is supercharging. So I do. I love that component to it. And I hear that in you and you're absolutely right. They never work alone. We're always feeling and fueling on multiples as they take off.

Sarah Collins (30:04.007)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (30:14.399)
I know you as an achiever. I know you as a hard worker too, because we've talked about your work quite a bit and we've talked about where you go and what you do. But that isn't necessarily Includer. I resonate with what you're saying. The Includer side, you brought your team together and you're working with a pretty fascinating group that I know a couple of your team members here locally and they're pretty fascinating, but that Includer wouldn't get doing what you do and the way you do it.

Megan Baker (30:18.479)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (30:40.868)
And so thank you for pointing that out. They do resonate with each other. They have to move in that way. Sarah, I step on something that you would say about the interactions between them?

Sarah Collins (30:52.571)
No, I think you said it great. And honestly, the main thing I was thinking when you both were talking is I was like, ooh, what if we gave everyone in the world communication? Okay, like go down that road, like everybody. Okay, now we can all admit that communication can also be bad communication. Like just because you have communication in your top strengths, that does not mean you are a good communicator and vice versa. You can be a great communicator and not have high communication as a strength. Okay, so.

The strength communication does not necessarily signal good communicator. I mean you have capacity to be a great communicator and a great storyteller, but if you don't finesse that it can be a lot of word vomit or even if you're I don't know like me communication number three I can finesse it and have great communication. I can also just talk out of my ass constantly

Bill Dippel (31:46.524)
Those we call Sarah soapbox moments. Yes, which yeah.

Sarah Collins (31:50.263)
Yeah, no, the soapbox moments are fucking great. I just dropped an f-bomb on this podcast. I don't usually do that. We'll get that explicit. The soapbox moments are, I think, very tailored, crystallized things. What I'm talking about is when I say things like unintentionally calling you both egotistical just five minutes ago, when I or just when I talk, because sometimes I just need to like literally like

Bill Dippel (31:53.318)
Hahaha

Megan Baker (31:54.799)
haha

Bill Dippel (32:00.145)
Yeah.

They are that I love. I love my Sarah soapbox moment.

Bill Dippel (32:12.656)
Ha

Sarah Collins (32:19.003)
Download my brain verbally, right? That's why my husband jokes that I have like a word quota I have to meet every day and so but so I can recognize that communication is not always like good communication but I do love the idea of Everyone in the world having communication and maybe just being like more upfront with what they're thinking and feeling now, of course I'm probably hungry for that because I love that

Like when I sit down with someone and they're just like, let me be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're just probably that's like, yeah, yes, tell me more. And when people are like so close to the vest and they keep things in like those deliberative people, you know, those high relators, they're like, Ooh, I'm going to just keep this inside. I'm like, no, I don't know what you're thinking. You're freaking me out. What's the unknown? So, you know, I think it could be make things a little bit wild and crazy up in this world. Give everybody communication.

Bill Dippel (33:10.672)
Yeah, I think communication would be would be I was and when you were saying it was thinking what other ones are what I Think we're touching the third rail on and I mean a debate could be made for self-assurance Right and I just saying it might be nice that there's more self-assurance in the world. Although in some cases I've worked with some C-suitors or other

Sarah Collins (33:24.711)
Mmmmm

Bill Dippel (33:36.026)
let's say influential people where man, need to we need to work on getting that self assurance in the backseat for a couple of minutes, right? We need you to.

Sarah Collins (33:42.095)
Yeah. I don't know if all of our heads would fit in this world if we all had selfish

Megan Baker (33:46.851)
Well, if we're all confident and we're all talking, who's listening?

Bill Dippel (33:47.057)
Now.

Bill Dippel (33:51.056)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (33:51.193)
Yeah, you make a great point. You make a great point.

Bill Dippel (33:53.564)
It's a really good point and touching back on the way that they supercharge each other Sarah you brought you brought up relator a second ago a really good for instance on that is that of the almost 36 million times Gallup has done this assessment now Relator most frequently gets paired with responsibility those two tend to be in the top with each other and if you start breaking it down and thinking how that comes to be

Sarah Collins (34:14.79)
Mmm.

Megan Baker (34:16.174)
Mmm.

Sarah Collins (34:21.988)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (34:22.433)
It's because you know a relator has to have some depth in the relationship and once the depth is there Now I am responsible. I put my name on it. We make things happen. I will Make sure that we're moving forward in that and megan for you that that woo and communication again stepped very forward when you and I met right but also in what you do now you're working and the the job and the role that you play and as you move through your company and and Expand what you're doing. I think

Sarah Collins (34:31.163)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (34:50.937)
You know, people recognize the influencing that you bring to that as well as that Includer that you that you like and they they tend to appreciate the fact that you can move the needle but also include them in that process fair.

Megan Baker (34:57.538)
Thank you.

Megan Baker (35:06.552)
Sure. I got to ask. I have two experts on this podcast.

Bill Dippel (35:10.025)
hit us. Well, experts easy. You got one in Sarah and then you got me I'm chipping it in. So yeah, go ahead.

Sarah Collins (35:16.496)
that.

Megan Baker (35:17.294)
Well, when you were talking at the beginning of this about kind of those four categories, right? I thought it was interesting that you guys pulled out that I have heavy influencing, but in my life, people who've mentored and coached me have challenged me to be a better influencer. In fact, I've not gotten promotions before because they didn't think I knew how to influence and then was put on a path of mentorship where I had to read books about influencing and discuss it and all of this stuff. I

Sarah Collins (35:38.286)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (35:46.265)
I've always had that be kind of something like I need to work on. Right. And then also, you know, there's only one executing in my top 10. But the majority of my life, I felt like I've been in roles that require execution. And so they challenged me on being strategic about that. And so it's almost like I practiced my cursive, right? You had bad handwriting and now you have good handwriting, but

Bill told me once you could take this test how many times and very little would change. Like this is your core fiber and this is who you are. So, I mean, then I took this test in 2013. So it's a solid time ago. that is it true? Do you, was that there all along and I just had, you know, ignorant teachers, so to speak, or something. What,

Sarah Collins (36:19.655)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (36:37.413)
Honestly, an awesome question. I love your question. And the thing that I think is one of the things I always tell people to remember is what we think of and know in the world and how like the language of the CliftonStrengths assessment, it's not apples to apples. So like when your supervisors are saying, hey, you need to be more influential, like I would be thinking like, what is the outcome?

Bill Dippel (36:39.801)
Yeah, great question.

Sarah Collins (37:01.253)
that they're looking for, right? Do they think you need to be like selling yourself more, promoting yourself more? Like what were they looking for when they're saying influence? Because, okay, yeah.

Megan Baker (37:11.79)
They told me upwards, sideways, downwards, always within a corporation, that you need to speak your piece.

Sarah Collins (37:17.681)
But is that like selling yourself? So like marketing yourself, advocating, like advocating for yourself or just like thought leadership, telling people what you think.

Megan Baker (37:22.142)
No, it wasn't at the time, but...

Megan Baker (37:33.614)
Probably telling people what I think, but then you do that and you're kind of like, I wasn't supposed to do that. It was not the time or place to share that.

Sarah Collins (37:42.138)
Yeah, well, and what I think is like Activator wants to go now, wants to get stuff done, right? Wants to push. Communication is like the verbal of it all. Often it can be writing, it can be music or art even, but a lot of times it's like getting what's inside of your head out. And woo, is that like winning others over. So like, I think there is a way to shape it.

especially when we look at those strategic thinking themes that you have, like I think you have high capacity to influence, but if you're just out there like not developing those strengths and you're just like being best friends with everybody and like talking a lot and I have no idea if you were doing any of that, you know, and just like starting stuff, but maybe not finishing it. I could see where they were like, hey, you have capacity and potential to use these talents and skills to influence.

other people or the business or whatever it is they're when you'd influence but you weren't capitalizing on those talents in that way because those can also just be like really social and like really fun that's not necessarily influential in a corporate environment. Bill what do you think?

Bill Dippel (38:52.663)
Yeah. Well, and I would say if I was Megan, you and I actually haven't coached together. We've worked and I've unlocked some of the theme components for you, but we haven't really worked together on it. But if you would come to me with that particular scenario, I would tell you, you you've always had the ability to be influencing. It's part of your theme. It's what builds you exactly what Sarah was saying, maybe in a shorter version of it. You just hadn't sharpened it yet. So

whatever influencing you're looking for. And again, Gallup will give you that weakness as anything that stands in the way of your success. Stop. That's it. And we don't care what your success looks like. If for you, success is influencing somebody at work or a series of clients or getting your husband to stop playing so much golf, whatever it looks like for you for success. I know, right? For you, it be we need to play more golf. I understand.

Megan Baker (39:43.959)
Never.

Bill Dippel (39:49.508)
But whatever it looks like to you, we would aim these themes and get them to start moving towards that. while some of the other coaching or people you had talked to were saying, need to get your influencing up, we would tell you, you possess it. Now let's sharpen it. Let's make sure that you're using it in a way that is not a weakness, that it is a strength. And in that, with Wu and communication and Activator, Sarah brought those up.

Sarah Collins (40:08.881)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (40:14.86)
Understood.

Bill Dippel (40:19.481)
There are so many ways you can Get people to move in specific speeds or motion or where where you go and then you superpower it with your learner right when when you were talking about the ability to Move up or sideways or down or wherever you're going learning what those roles are You absorb that so well and I don't write learners very very low for me. So for me I have to

Sarah Collins (40:31.911)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (40:48.021)
I have to think about where else we stand in that. And then in context, it's right. You're thinking of the past a bit, right? What happened previously and not futuristically and, yeah, she does.

Sarah Collins (40:58.855)
Well, she has futuristic too. So she's sort of a powerhouse of context and futuristic plus learner and input gathering information.

Bill Dippel (41:04.301)
Right.

Bill Dippel (41:08.439)
Yeah. And back to our question, I would say we could, any of these could be the one strength that could make the world better. Right. Any of these could step into that role just depending on how you're using it. Is it, is it a strength? Is it a weakness? But the one that would make the biggest impact for a lot of people, right. Is not necessarily the one that would make the biggest impact for you, Megan, right. If we're, if we're doing that coaching, right. So

Megan Baker (41:12.267)
you

Sarah Collins (41:15.707)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (41:16.781)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (41:36.876)
I love the question. The question is fantastic, right? How do I, how do I, after hearing this for so long, how can I make that a better component to what I have? know, outside of you getting two, two coaches getting you moving on this, we would probably both work in the same way to say, let's define what success looks like for you. Let's do some goal setting and then let's aim some strengths at that. Let's make that happen.

Megan Baker (42:01.037)
Sorry.

Sarah Collins (42:02.405)
And that is the key as we think about, know, again, not one strength could be on everybody's list in the entire world. But even if it was, not everyone would be using it. Not everyone would be engaging in it, right? Because I think the nice thing about taking this assessment is the self-awareness to be able to put language around it.

You know, like Megan, you have that high achiever. So it sounds like you've leaned on that a lot. You've had to get stuff done. Well, achiever loves to get stuff done, make the list, but to be able to go, that's what that is. But I'm so much more than that, right? Like I really can dive in deep and learn everything there is about it. And I want to share it with people, you know, and I want to talk to them and I'm gonna and I'm gonna have friends over here. Like you've got so much more to work with. And the assessment allows us to.

have language, have the self-awareness, and then when we're really intentional, we can aim it to do the things we want to do. But there's a lot of people that have words on their assessment or if they've never taken it, they don't even know what they are. They're not tapping into that innate talent because it takes investment in the talent for it to really become a superpower. And once we see people invest in a talent, that's when we see like supercharged excellence come out, right?

It's like you put one kid in a math class and they like do okay. Another kid you put in the math class and they like, whoa, wow, I didn't know any of that before, but now I know everything. I'm totally like, I've mastered it. And you're like, wow, that kid just had a propensity for that type of math. Like they knew it so well, but they both came in kind of at the same starting point, the same with the talents. And so it's, it's this idea of like, yeah, anyone in the world could have a talent, but they might not be taking advantage of it.

Bill Dippel (43:55.031)
Yeah, yeah. And speechless and down. Right. I was like, I can't even break in with Sarah Sobchak moment today provided by so that was good. I like it. So, Megan, we're going to ask you a couple of questions. We like giving our listeners some ideas around the thoughts of our our our.

Sarah Collins (43:55.974)
I've left everyone speechless. You're welcome. Great. That's great podcast fodder when you leave people speechless.

Sarah Collins (44:10.246)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (44:20.983)
guests, right, and how they step into what they do because it's different for everybody. So we're going to ask you from a firework moment point of view. In other words, when you're firing on all cylinders, everything's going great. You have stepped in, you're feeling the flow, you're moving, you're getting moving. What theme is most often at play for you? Which strength are you stepping into where you go, that's what's happening right now. I am completely into my communication or my woo or

My Achiever, what's at play for you?

Megan Baker (44:55.309)
Honestly, that's an achiever. Even though we had picked some of the included, I had tried to think of maybe when that plays a part. It always does. yeah, my success is most when I'm feeling confident about what I'm doing, when I feel like everyone is on board with the goal and we're achieving things. My family always says you cram way too much into a day.

Bill Dippel (44:58.25)
Perfect, yeah.

Bill Dippel (45:14.134)
Hmm.

Bill Dippel (45:19.926)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (45:23.659)
you know, why are you trying to cram all that into a day? I'm like, is there still hours in the day? Yeah. And, and it's fine even on vacation, you know, it's like, I want to be here, go there, do this, see these things because it's a fulfilled life for me. if the opportunity is there, then I'm going to try to soak up as much as I can and probably supported by learner too, because, know, if you're taking it from like a vacation standpoint, Hey, what can we go see? What can we learn? What can I take from this experience? But yeah. And I,

Sarah Collins (45:24.519)
Mm, slow achiever.

Bill Dippel (45:27.467)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (45:49.127)
Yeah

Megan Baker (45:52.305)
I'm of specific stories like when you think about fireworks in your life and maybe some like key moments, 2016, I remember I first moved up to Washington state and I had this beautiful condo and it faced the water and I was standing there with my glass of wine, looking out the twinkling lights over the Bay. And I was like, wow, you made it. You've made it. You know, you finally get to that point where you're, making the money you think you should make.

And you're prepared, you know, in what you're doing enough that anything they asked me to do tomorrow at my job or in my life, I could conquer and I can handle. And it felt great at that moment. And I think it was because I had used a combination of these strengths. And like we talked about a few minutes ago, like perfecting those talents, right? Sharpening that Includer skills, sharpening all those different skills, that it did test me. You know, I went into the job the next day was like, I had a brand new, I had a brand new role and I went in.

job the next day and I had to lean on those skills. had to lean on Includer a lot. I didn't relate to my team. They had a distaste for structure, a distaste for policy, a lack of motivation to work. And it was like, Whoa, I'm going to have to go in the toolbox right now. You know, it certainly didn't take away from the fact that the fireworks were going for me, you know, and it was just, it was like, roll up your sleeves, achieve her and get this done. And you can do it because you have everything you need.

Bill Dippel (47:05.807)
hahahahah

Sarah Collins (47:12.999)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (47:18.558)
So, yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (47:19.047)
Great example.

Bill Dippel (47:21.179)
I love in that answer. She brought up achiever and learner brought them together, kind of wove them, wove them in right. And then how they affect your personal life, how they affect your professional life, right? The team, not necessarily being all in on that structure, but also on vacation. I want to go learn something, right? I have a really good friend who if we're not at a museum at some point in the vacations we all take together, he, I think he just goes nuts. And I'm like,

Sarah Collins (47:25.413)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (47:27.702)
The end.

Sarah Collins (47:38.812)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (47:39.083)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (47:50.109)
another museum and it can be a stupid museum, know, something that somebody just threw together in a house of weird, you know, I don't know, but he absolutely lives for it. And it's fascinating because I get to at least tag along and see that at play. So really good example.

Sarah Collins (48:05.318)
Yeah.

Megan Baker (48:05.453)
Yeah. I think positivity plays a role in there too, right? Like, um, you could be a downer. Oh man, it's another, it's another museum. What are we doing? But yeah, I know that that. Yeah. Let's see. I'm going to see what I can find out. Yeah. I'm just going to put it glass half full here today.

Sarah Collins (48:09.304)
Mmmmm

Bill Dippel (48:09.588)
sure.

Bill Dippel (48:15.796)
Yeah, yeah. And I my positivity is at play there too. I'm like, Okay, Chris, yes, we're gonna go to another one. Let's go. So yeah.

Yep. Yep.

Sarah Collins (48:29.745)
So on the opposite end of that, when do feel like these strengths get you into a dumpster fire, Megan? When do they kind of backfire getting in your way?

Megan Baker (48:35.167)
man.

Megan Baker (48:39.132)
sometimes in my family, they're like, you know, can you just stop talking? Probably the same thing that happens to you, Sarah. Can you learn when to just listen and not have an opinion about everything? you know, sometimes too, I think when you try to, you try to do too much when, mean, like, let's, let's be honest, let's include everybody. Let's get all this done. Let's overweight the.

Bill Dippel (48:44.393)
Hahaha

Sarah Collins (48:46.203)
Yeah, relatable.

Bill Dippel (48:53.364)
No.

Megan Baker (49:03.584)
The objectives here on all that, I've had some times where I'm trying to do too much, you know, and because I'm positive about it and I think I'm going to get it done, you know, I'm going to stretch other people too far. You know, maybe they ask or have higher expectations of themselves because I have high expectations of myself, In my past life, like I said, in my role, I speak from my past life because I'm new in my new position, but 20 years in my past one and I,

Sarah Collins (49:09.351)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Baker (49:33.374)
managed six locations, did 63 projects at this company. And there was one time I was managing a location and I was also on a project across the country and my home store wasn't doing very well. So, there's, there's a prime example of like, yeah, I can handle this and I can handle it all from afar and I can do everything I need to. So was kind of like, maybe I can't, know, in the, in the

Sarah Collins (49:44.743)
Mmm.

Bill Dippel (49:45.278)
time.

Sarah Collins (49:54.063)
Right?

Megan Baker (49:55.392)
dedication as a leader, you commit to your team. try to develop to Bill's point. You're developing people and you're not going to be able to do that if you're not there and you're not seeing what's going on. So it has exploded in the home life of you need to calm down and the work life of you can't get it all done. Yeah, you may not be able to get all this done.

Bill Dippel (50:12.051)
Simmer, simmer.

Sarah Collins (50:16.267)
Absolutely. Well, and I love it because I feel like there's so much synergy between your firework moment and your dumpster fire, which is like the real world, right? It's like the things that get us the success and make us happy and make us feel good. If not kept in check can also burn it all to the ground.

Megan Baker (50:24.15)
Yeah.

It is.

Megan Baker (50:35.67)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (50:35.943)
Yeah, yeah, completely true. I, you know, I hear that communication in woo, like sometimes Sarah, you bring it up frequently, which is woo cannot eat at home. Woo has to eat, but it can't. It's hard to do at home. And Megan, I, know, when I hear your example of, hey, you know, my husband or my dad or the people I'm hanging out with, they're like, OK, shut it down, right? Shut it down. Because to me, it seems like we was trying to eat at home.

Sarah Collins (50:38.151)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (50:47.897)
Right.

Megan Baker (51:02.506)
Yeah, calm down.

Bill Dippel (51:06.065)
And they don't have the fuel to give you to make that happen, it seems. So I hear it. Yeah, I hear that in you.

Sarah Collins (51:10.363)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (51:14.651)
Well, I did actually ask our friends on LinkedIn. Now this is a hard question to ask our friends on LinkedIn about because there's 34 themes. So I just picked random ones. Listen, I did it with ChatGBT, let's be honest. I asked the people on LinkedIn, if one strength could make the entire world better, which one would it be? And I gave them four options. And again, this is where me and ChatGBT are biased. I gave them empathy, strategic,

Bill Dippel (51:17.64)
Good! I'm curious how...yeah. How did you do it? How did you do this one, Sarah? This is tough.

Bill Dippel (51:42.045)
You

Sarah Collins (51:43.336)
positivity and responsibility. So I didn't even put an executing theme in there. LOL. Empathy got 68%. Responsibility got 16%. And positivity got 16%. Strategic got a big old goose egg. Nobody voted for strategic.

Megan Baker (51:54.7)
Mmm.

Megan Baker (52:03.884)
Hmm.

Bill Dippel (52:03.965)
Ha ha ha ha.

Sarah Collins (52:05.735)
But on it I had empathy, more compassion, strategic, smarter choices, positivity, brighter outlook, and responsibility follow through. So the world of the internet, at least the people who follow this show on LinkedIn, are coming in with a primary vote for empathy with the four options I give them. Now I did ask people, if you think it's something else, put it in the comments, And really,

I had a couple of people comment and though one person, Jo Self, we know her, she's a CliftonStrengths coach, she was written some book, she said, I'm eager to hear this one, but I would say connectedness. If people could understand we are a ripple effect and we're all in this together, it would be so much easier, which is, I think, a beautiful sentiment. And again, another relationship building theme, but not one that we had brought up previously.

Bill Dippel (52:40.593)
Joe. Yeah?

Bill Dippel (52:57.245)
Beautiful.

Megan Baker (52:58.379)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (53:01.458)
Yeah, and connectedness is high for me. I tend to feel that everything has a reason and a purpose. So Joe, we've talked, we know each other, and thanks for the comment. That's really well said. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (53:07.559)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (53:12.303)
Yeah. I honestly feel like it echoes a lot of what Megan was saying with Includer. And honestly, I mean, there's no right or wrong answer. We can never do this in the world, but I kind of love it. I kind of love the Includer connectedness sentiment of like having people be more aware in a positive way of one another and like including them or, you know, knowing like

Megan Baker (53:14.067)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (53:17.574)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Megan Baker (53:18.475)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (53:39.503)
we're all, we got one planet, we got one, you know, existence in this universe, and let's try to move in the same direction. In that case, we might make a case for harmony. I don't know.

Megan Baker (53:51.563)
And this is the beauty queen conversation, right? Yeah, there's the wave. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (53:51.89)
Harmony might be a good one as well. Yeah, there it is.

Sarah Collins (53:55.854)
Mm-hmm. That's right. All the executing people are mad. They're like, maybe if people just did what they say they're going to do, like, responsibility achiever, that's what we should have. Do what you say you're going to do.

Bill Dippel (54:08.42)
Right, right. Yeah, you know, I'm curious. go ahead, Megan.

Megan Baker (54:10.284)
Yeah, it crossed my mind. That crossed my mind too about the execution too. was, it was a hard one because it would be nice if people did just do what they said they were going to do. Right. But we all know that's hard because if you haven't sharpened that skill, you don't know how to do something. It's not like people don't try, but I will say too, one of the times when Includer or maybe some of those other similar themes backfires when people feel entitled that they should be at a place that they've earned. And so when you try to include them in a different level or a different circle,

that kind of backfires of their own, right. Their own thoughts and feelings of, I'm at this spot and I kind of deserve to be here and I've earned it. And so, no, I don't care about connecting or I don't care about, yeah, maybe that's why we ask for it. Maybe that's why we're all asking for it today to change the world.

Sarah Collins (54:43.163)
I

Bill Dippel (54:56.827)
Yeah. Well, and I'm curious too, given the way the polls put together, I almost think it'd be fun to ask, although we're past this episode, but which domain would be the one? Because we've all talked about relationship domains, Joe self included in that. And we're guessing the strategic people and the executors are like, nah, know, stab you. No, you know, we need to do more. But

Sarah Collins (55:10.588)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (55:25.041)
That would be an interesting way to look at that. Which ones would be there? Whether or not people feel the influencing themes, which tend to be the lowest, are the ones that we wish we had more of. Interesting debate question. On a debate show.

Sarah Collins (55:35.109)
need the milk. Yeah, yeah. It is it is an interesting debate question. I feel like we did it a good service. I also feel like we can make this episode six hours long. I could talk about every single strength and why it could make the world a better place or backfire on us all.

Bill Dippel (55:50.137)
Yep. And we could we could bring on all sorts of people that would have all sorts of great opinions and the and the great part is they're all right, right? You know, if if that kept coming up feeling more. Yes, all of them are wrong, right? That's I love it. Well, in that, you know what, Megan, thank you so much. Thank you for bringing some some.

Sarah Collins (55:58.553)
Yeah. And also they're all wrong.

Megan Baker (56:12.351)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (56:15.703)
spine and backbone today because this is a heavy lift, a heavy question. So thank you for coming in and making that happen. We've been talking about doing a podcast for a while, so I'm glad it finally worked out for us. And this is a great topic. Glad that, yeah, really glad that you came on this. And Sarah has always loved doing it with you. Thanks so much for coming in. And with that, we're going to talk to our arsonists and say we love having you here listening to us and we will talk soon.

Megan Baker (56:19.819)
Yeah, it is.

Megan Baker (56:28.649)
Me too, this is great. Thank you. Thank you both.

Sarah Collins (56:44.679)
Bye!

Megan Baker (56:45.932)
Bye.