Strengths On Fire

Sarah Collins (00:01.111)
Good morning, Mr. Bill Dippel!

Bill Dippel (00:04.91)
I get to wake up and Sarah sings to me. Look at that. I get a morning.

Sarah Collins (00:08.387)
I really had the line from Wicked, good news in my mind, but the execution wasn't quite there this morning.

Bill Dippel (00:17.036)
Not quite, not quite. Our arsonists, think, that listen regularly know we shoot on Fridays. I love our Fridays. I love to get up. I get to hear from Sarah this morning. I get to know that she's in. We're excited with guests. And then we kick it off and Sarah tells me good morning. So how good is that? It makes it for a great morning.

Sarah Collins (00:36.107)
It's pretty good. It makes for a great morning and I've got a great question for you Mr.

Bill Dippel (00:41.25)
You always do. You always have at least one reasonably, if not excellent question for me.

Sarah Collins (00:48.003)
To be fair, think in the past seven episodes you've had asked me a question, so it's about time.

Bill Dippel (00:53.356)
Yeah, it is about time actually. You finally won one. That's good.

Sarah Collins (00:56.341)
Okay, so if you had to rebrand CliftonStrengths for the modern workplace, what would you call it?

Bill Dippel (01:03.366)
good Lord. I get wait. Yeah, that is really good. So wait, I get the magic wand that I can wave over.

Sarah Collins (01:06.189)
This is good one, right?

Sarah Collins (01:10.521)
Now we must say it's already been rebranded. They used to call it Strengths Finder. They have rebranded it to CliftonStrengths because Don Clifton created the assessment. So now we go with CliftonStrengths with no space in the middle, which throws people off all the time. So if you had the magic wand and could change the name of the assessment for the workplace today, what would you?

Bill Dippel (01:17.208)
correct?

Bill Dippel (01:34.582)
Mm-hmm. Dippel strengths, I think would be the.

Sarah Collins (01:39.337)
god.

Bill Dippel (01:40.545)
No, I you know, this is actually a great question because one of the one of the problems I think most of us as coaches come across is when we say we're strengths coaches, everyone looks at us and goes, well, I mean, you look like you're in OK shape. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know that you look like you're training people in squats and lifting. I mean, I get that quite a bit. And sometimes the cross-eyed look like.

Natalie Becerra (01:41.4)
you

Sarah Collins (02:01.645)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (02:08.558)
Really? You're a strengths coach? You're like, OK, everybody calm down. So I guess the question, the way I'd have to approach it is how do we incorporate the engagement, the emotional, the mental, the soft skill component rather than making it sound like it is a pure strengths based, you know, physical strength side of it. And I'm sure Gallup probably battled that themselves for a while and didn't come up with a great answer right out of the gate. Maybe.

Maybe not. I don't know the the truth behind that statement, but I would say that for me maybe it's something along the lines of Man, that's really good. It's really tough. Is it the is it the? meant emotional strengths tool is it the is it the Themes the the talent

talent strengths assessment? Could that be a part of it even though we go from talent to themes as we coach? It would have to be something like that although that's a question I think Gallup had to noodle on and probably didn't do that well with. There might not have been a great answer, I'm not cheating. I don't know, maybe it would have to be of talent strengths or talent, I know Strengths Finder was

Sarah Collins (03:17.827)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (03:37.036)
what they had initially, talent, finder talent, something like that. I don't know. It's a great question. What would you do with it?

Sarah Collins (03:44.729)
That's a great question. did not think of my answer before I've come here, so I am vastly unprepared. Like you, while we do talk about strengths a lot, I agree with you that causes confusion every time I type in strengths coach on Instagram. I'm getting like gym picks. So I don't hate the idea of calling it talent. Now you have to be careful because I was thinking like workplace talent, but it's also not in the workplace. It's everywhere, right?

Bill Dippel (03:50.968)
Perfect.

Bill Dippel (03:57.204)
Exactly.

Sarah Collins (04:12.705)
Also, I don't know why they changed it from Strengths Finder to CliftonStrengths. I'd be curious if it's because you're not finding your strengths, you have your strengths already, it's just helping you identify what your strengths are.

Bill Dippel (04:26.005)
Or maybe it was to address what we just talked about because strengths finder sounds very physical where Clifton strengths, what is a, you know, maybe the question now bounds on what is Clifton? How does that come into be? Great.

Sarah Collins (04:39.223)
Right. Because a lot of, or as I say, a lot of assessments are like made up, like Enneagram, what's that, right? I mean, we know what it is, but like that's not a word in the world. Myers-Brigg.

Bill Dippel (04:46.728)
Yeah, fair. Right. Or or disk is an yeah, disk is a, you know, a culmination of acronym of all the all the words. So great side story on this. Mike McCallowitz, Pumpkin Plan, the business gentleman who does a lot of podcasting and books. I follow his plan. I'm a profit first business, so I tend to pay myself first than my bills. And the idea is if you can't do that.

Sarah Collins (04:53.888)
acronym.

Sarah Collins (05:01.187)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (05:14.317)
You need to look at what you're doing. If you're not making money out of it, you're failing anyway. When I started with Mike, I opened the book and it said, hey, if you want to find a profit first professional to help you do your books, go here. I went to where he went. They pair you up and they talk about it. And they sent me to a group in Nebraska to do my books initially. And when I started talking to them, I realized they were like, yeah, we do tons of gyms.

We do tons of workout places. We do tons of people that do weightlifting and I'm like, got it, right? Not even just from me reaching out to clients. It's funny in the professional world, I get some of that. I don't use them anymore. They were fine. I they were awesome. I found somebody locally that does it much, more efficiently and at a better cost. But it was even then.

Sarah Collins (05:57.646)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (06:05.635)
When you first said that, thought they meant J-I-M. We do tons of gyms. We'd like, no, I'm Bill, not Jim. Okay, I just got it. If we wanted to take the disc model, we could call it the RISE assessment. Relationship building, influencing, strategic thinking, executing spells, RISE.

Bill Dippel (06:08.876)
Jim.

Bill Dippel (06:12.233)
Right. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (06:23.469)
Wow, she is all over it. I saw you with your pen writing down. I'm like...

Sarah Collins (06:29.569)
I was like, wait, I'm pretty sure there's an acronym here. And someone else in the strengths community pointed that out to me once. And I remember thinking, why is this not on my slide deck? my God, like makes it so much easier to remember their domains, baby.

Bill Dippel (06:42.145)
problem was you left out the best theme, woo.

Sarah Collins (06:45.923)
Well, it's because it's the domains, not the themes, babe.

Bill Dippel (06:50.357)
Sorry, you left out the best theme woo, right and the best domain relationship maybe but You know woo if who's not in the title then I don't know it seems to be falling down in my world. So

Sarah Collins (07:03.257)
Okay, well, I think that's a great place to segue into our guest today. Natalie Becerra is here with us today and I am so excited. She is a huge friend of the pod. She is a CliftonStrengths coach. She is a career specialist at my alma mater, not just the University of Nebraska Lincoln, but the J school baby. Your girl here is an advertising major back in the day.

Natalie Becerra (07:24.256)
Woohoo!

Sarah Collins (07:27.533)
Believe it or not, probably not if you've ever looked at any of my marketing, but marketing and advertising are in two different schools in that college, okay?

Bill Dippel (07:31.231)
You know, you know,

You know, Sarah, I find it odd that you brought somebody on immediately after the podcast we had where somebody else was saying the real big red to you somewhere. So hmm. He did talk smack.

Sarah Collins (07:42.745)
Yes. So you're right. Token did just talk about the real big red and we are here today to defend our Nebraska Cornhuskers. So Natalie, welcome to the pod. Please let everyone know a little bit about you, anything else that you want to share and give us your top 10 Clifton strengths.

Natalie Becerra (07:46.838)
on them.

Bill Dippel (07:51.799)
Hehehehehe

Natalie Becerra (08:02.86)
Yes, I am so excited to be here. We were talking earlier and I was like, I feel special because I was in the room when you got the arsonist name thrown out there in friends with Lizzie who has been on the pod. So super excited to be here. Yeah, I'm a career coach in my daily job. So that's super fun. I love doing it. Strengths coach with all of that. I am also a grad student. Super fun. I am studying leadership education, hopefully soon to be a certified master leader as I always joke, even though

Sarah Collins (08:30.765)
Yes.

Natalie Becerra (08:32.588)
that will not ever be the case. I will always be learning about that. But yeah, really big into leadership and training and development, all the things. So this is definitely on my alley. My strengths, I feel like match a lot with what I do professionally and in my free time. So we have communication, individualization, woo, achiever, futuristic, relator, activator, arranger, analytical.

and significance. I have almost all the A's. Adaptability is buried deep in the bottom, but I have almost all of the A strengths in that top 10.

Sarah Collins (09:05.538)
You do.

Sarah Collins (09:11.575)
I was just going to say a lot of A-frames up here in this top 10. We've got four influencing, two relationship building, two executing, and two strategic thinking, which I think is an excellent way to talk about our great debate question today, which is what is the best strength for starting something new? So this is a little bit different take of the great strengths debate that we've been doing. It's a little bit more open-ended. So

I'm excited to hear the perspectives from both Natalie, Bill and myself and to have the audience thinking about what is the best strength for starting something new? What does that look like? What does that mean? So hot off the mics, let's roll right into it.

Bill Dippel (09:49.389)
Yeah.

Well, I would say first off, Natalie, individualization woo. You're one of my favorite human beings on the planet, right? Number one and number three for me or number one and number four for me. So that that powerful combination drives what I do so much. And it really helps me think about what it means for other people to get coaching and how I step into that realm. But it also opens a lot of doors from the woo. So I might lead just

Natalie Becerra (09:57.208)
Yes.

Natalie Becerra (10:17.997)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (10:19.876)
in a very broad way for the debate today say those are superpowers for getting things kicked off. I started with, well, you can't rename CliftonStrengths without Wu in there. Natalie, best theme ever. What do you think?

Natalie Becerra (10:31.0)
It used to be my number one. So I do have a soft spot for woo. Yes. Yeah. I think woo is really special. think people respond differently to it depending on what their strengths are. I once got probably the best compliment ever that somebody told me I was the calmest woo they had ever met. And I was like, wow, because I think woos get a bad rap that they're always

Bill Dippel (10:37.12)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Natalie Becerra (10:58.698)
over the top, they're in your face, all the things. And some people don't respond well to that, especially if you're thinking about working in a group. But I think because I have individualization and related, I use those as kind of like levels to relationship building, even though those woo is obviously influencing. It's like woo can help me kind of break the ice, but then individualization helps me match.

their energy, where they're at, and then the relator really getting to know them, what they need, all of that. So I like to combine all of those, especially when I'm stepping into a new setting, maybe I'm working with a new team on a new project or something like that. So there's definitely got to be levels. I'm a big energy person, have to match the energy in the room. And those help with that a lot.

Sarah Collins (11:46.841)
I totally think that woo is an energy. What's the word I'm looking for? Like awareness, like woo's are often aware of the energy, especially when I think when you add in those heavy relationship building themes. Also, you and Bill might be strengths twins. I don't know, Bill, like how many do you share here with Miss Natalie?

Bill Dippel (12:08.574)
let's look here. Relator as well. Past that though, individualization, woo and relator. Yeah. activator, sorry. Activator's very high for me as well. I don't have analytical. I do not possess an ounce of significance. I'm not certain how that kicks in. My futuristic is number 38.

Sarah Collins (12:14.954)
just those? Okay, three. All right, nevermind.

Sarah Collins (12:30.947)
Okay, I take back what I said.

Natalie Becerra (12:31.544)
Wow.

Bill Dippel (12:32.66)
So I mean, we're we're just bonding on the other and and not to not to be too meta about the show notes here. But for those of you enthralled by this woo conversation we're having, the next episode that will be coming up is actually entitled Is Woo Annoying with another guest? So, I mean, I love, Natalie, your input on this, because we're going to this will give us some amazing.

Natalie Becerra (12:53.218)
Hot word.

Bill Dippel (12:59.538)
Ideas as we keep building on this I I find woo and it's number two for you Sarah I we can't we can't even ignore the woos in the room. I Absolutely find it as when I want to start something new I do find it is the energy Sarah. I like that. It's the energy whisperer It's the one that sees the people in the room and I can match it and I tend to feel it that that

really helps me open the doors and kick things going. I think it's also brings a lot of energy that allows me to start. So if I can woo in a group, bang, I go. I can really start building on that and I can individualize what it means for everybody in the room very quickly. And I think for me, that's that classic start for me. That's how I jump into it. And woo for you, Sarah. What do you think?

Sarah Collins (13:38.35)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (13:53.069)
Well, I just want to say that I think it could be an easy way to slide into this discussion topic by thinking about the domains, the rise, if you will. And if we think about influencing as a domain, think what I'm hearing is, and I have a lot of influencing themes too. So I feel like I am a better starter when there's people involved. So like if I have to start something new,

Natalie Becerra (14:03.895)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (14:22.325)
If other people are around or a part of it or get to be in the room or are counting on it, that gives me so much energy because I love being able to influence. Like if I have a presentation I need to make, I am one of those people, because I have Activator that will wait until the last minute. But when I am sitting at my computer, I am thinking about the influence of that audience. And so that gets me started on, I've got this new presentation. I got to get in there.

And so it's the energy I get from those people. Now, in contrast, I don't have a lot of strategic thinking themes. I have one input. So if I am, I have to start something new, which as a business owner, I have to all the time where I'm supposed to, like, and I'll ask my chat GPT, like, how should I market my business? Or the other day I was like, I want you to be brutally honest with me. What am I not doing in my business that I should?

And the chat GPT was like, girl, you're a one-off wonder when people are with you, you are awesome and you get them, but you're never going to scale your business this way. I was like, Ooh, that was a higher truth, but you know what is so true about that? It's the strategic thinking themes for me and the executing, which is I have a ranger and responsibility, which for me are all about people and that being in the room. So to do that kind of stuff, the idea of scaling my business, that was something new for me.

Natalie Becerra (15:28.716)
Wow.

Sarah Collins (15:48.823)
I can't get the engine revving on it, right? Because I don't have those talents. So doing that, it moves like molasses to get that done. And I'm telling you, the only way, if I ever manage to scale my business, the only way it's gonna be is by hiring someone else to do it.

Bill Dippel (16:06.315)
And Sarah you and I run our businesses slightly differently in some ways We're both very active in the coaching community and working but as you know I have other coaches that work for me and I think very early on that was Exactly why those were brought on we actually Pitched them and talk about them as bringing a different skill set I have a pure strategist that is in that actually a couple of them that are really high in strategy and I am not

Natalie Becerra (16:07.074)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (16:35.211)
It I joke often that it you require a microscope to see it on page 22 on my strengths bars the green at the end It's pretty pretty low, but I bring other strategists. So if I'm in a session that requires Strategy in there and we know that that's gonna be a heavy component for that day We may bring other people we've even had requests for other coaches to come in to fulfill certain needs and so exactly as you're saying it Sarah, I think

Right when you said, I am a one-off wonder, you're going to run this, but you can't grow that way. You have to bring in other people. And Natalie, in your environment, I have to assume you're partnering and dynamic partnering, not necessarily hiring others, but you're bringing the energy in so many other ways with other people. Am I correct?

Natalie Becerra (17:24.554)
Yeah, so I work at a university and we I work in career services and we have pretty much a decentralized model. So I am almost kind of on an island by myself. I'm the only career coach for my college that I serve, but I have other career coach counterparts scattered around campus. So it is a very interesting dynamic. I do have to draw on my strengths a lot because

I'm a people person, you can tell that by my strengths. need people energy. I've done the working genius too. I'm obsessed with all assessments and I'm a galvanizer and an enabler. Like I love to create that energy, get things flowing and working by myself, like that is really hard. Sometimes I struggle with, like I can come up with the ideas, but doing them sometimes is like.

daunting and scary. And so I do have to ask for a lot of help and use the strengths to make those partnerships of, okay, who's really good at this? Who can I ask to help with the event planning logistics? Who can help me with the outreach logistics? All of those things. Because otherwise I'm by myself and it becomes just too overwhelming of a task. So definitely I've had to learn how to use these strategically to build those partnerships.

Sarah Collins (18:41.357)
I just want to explain for our friends listening who are not higher ed people, because I didn't know this until I was in grad school for higher education. But if you have a university within a university, there's colleges. So there's like the College of Business, the College of Journalism, the College of Arts and Sciences. And so some universities have a centralized career center, which means it's for the big university and everybody kind of runs up to that. The University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

has changed their model over the last few years, probably like 10, because it's been forever since I've been there, where they decentralized it. So now they still have a career center in the union that serves sort of generally. Natalie, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. But they have career centers in each college to serve that population. So instead of everyone reporting up.

Natalie Becerra (19:22.71)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (19:32.951)
to the main career center and the director of that career center and being kind of a jack of all trades. They have specialists in the college. So Natalie is specifically working with her journalism students. That is why she's on an island. She's got partners across campus who collaborate, of course, because we're better together. But every day she's not going to an office full of other career coaches. She is going to a journalism college full of journalism students and faculty and staff. So she is the only career coach at

her college, just for those of you listening who didn't know. You know, I used to work there too, so like, I love it, it's my bread and butter.

Bill Dippel (20:06.738)
Wow. Good. This this Sarah soapbox moment presented by I love it. And it was and it was a good it was an informative soapbox moment today. Very nice, Sarah. So I yes, I want to I want I want to ask this in a different way, though. I want to step back because we've all touched on Wu heavily and individualizations quite a bit here in the very beginning of this.

Natalie Becerra (20:08.906)
Yes.

Natalie Becerra (20:13.72)
Who's the sponsor today? Yes.

Sarah Collins (20:14.999)
The College of Journalism.

Sarah Collins (20:20.087)
Yes, now the more you know, but so.

Bill Dippel (20:35.112)
Let's step back from our particular strengths for a second. Let's talk about some other ways that this might be applicable to some other people listening on the podcast. So, for instance, we've all talked about the energy it requires to have other people involved to get things done. What about projects that we don't have people involved in? What about projects where we don't get to surround ourselves? It's something we need to go where.

Let's say woo and maybe individualization are cut off at the knees. You have achiever Natalie, right? You have activator, have analytical, those all stand up in that top area. Talk for a minute about where those might actually come into play for things that we cannot spin our energy web, be an energy whisperer for the people around us.

Natalie Becerra (21:05.943)
Mm-hmm.

Natalie Becerra (21:25.888)
Yeah, and I definitely have to pull on those strengths more because sometimes I get bogged down in talking to other people, hearing all of their ideas, their opinions, wanting to include all of that. So sometimes I do have to cut off that individualization and that woo and just really sit with it. I have very low intellectual, don't love to fully sit by myself, but I am a big person with my analytical trying to look at information, trying to find patterns. I'm a big pattern person.

with my analytical strength. And honestly, I have been trying to pair my analytical and my activator and my arranger a lot more with starting projects. I just have that inherent want to just jump. I have that activator in me. I wanna do things right away. I'm always coming up with new shiny ideas and wanna chase them. But then I try and use my analytical to pump the brakes and also pull in that achiever of, okay, let's actually think through this.

Who is the serving? Do we need to do this? Is it worth putting my energy into this? Because I can come up with all sorts of ideas, especially when I'm bored, but future me doesn't always have the capacity for that. So I really have to keep that in check as a person working on my own team. And so I'll stop, I'll take in that analytical. Really, I'm a big writer with that communication number one. I'll write through all my thoughts, my ideas, how I think things are gonna be organized and

look to see if it makes sense. And if it does kick in that achiever and arranger to try and execute, try something out, see how it works. If not make those changes. I sometimes get stuck in the analytical phase. If I'm a little scared to start something new, I've caught myself doing that. So that's been interesting because my gut reaction is to just do it. But I think if I get scared, I get stuck in my little analytical bubble and I'm like, like.

this thing or this thing or this thing. Like I will nitpick here and there all day with that. And then sometimes I need somebody to just give me that push and be like, you know what, let's chunk it out. Like that achiever mindset of what's first, try that, do that, and just go through the steps because otherwise I'll get stuck if I don't have all the steps laid out, especially with my futuristic, I need to know where I'm going. So.

Natalie Becerra (23:47.134)
Yeah, that's a glimpse into my brain, I guess, and how I pull a lot of those different ones in. I'm probably leaving one out, but I guess they're more of the relationship building ones. But that's, that's a glimpse into what's going on up here.

Sarah Collins (24:00.451)
I love how you encompass so many of them because what I love about strengths is we are using all of our talents in different ways. And I think you articulated it really well, no surprise communication. Number one, to help people hear the process you're going through, right? It's like, of course, if there's a bunch of people in the room, they want to do it. Your relationship building influencing themes are going to be like, yes, let's go, let's run. But if you are in your office alone,

Bill Dippel (24:13.0)
weird. So weird.

Sarah Collins (24:28.631)
and you're thinking then yes, this analytical can get going and maybe slow you down because the futuristic is saying like, but what, how will we? And the achiever, you know, it's like the, we need to get this done. And so to hear you describe it, I think is really fascinating and a great insight on how strengths work. love thinking about, I'm gonna pull us away from some of our strengths, but I think as coaches, we're gonna have a good conversation. I love thinking about analytical.

deliberative, intellectual, and learner when we think of this question. Because I have a feeling people might assume those strengths could be not great for starting something new because they could slow you down, right? I think that they're just how you were describing that analytical game stuck in the weeds. Deliberative is an executing theme, but a very thoughtful decision maker, so might really wanna take a long time.

Natalie Becerra (25:13.077)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (25:23.787)
Intellection loves to think about things, strategic thinking theme likes to spend the time to noodle. And my learners, they love to get in there and learn everything they can about it. So I could see people thinking, can these folks start something new? And my answer to this is I think they could be so dynamic because the people who have these things are going to have other themes around them. And I think they're at times, depending on how they're using them,

Natalie Becerra (25:48.344)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (25:53.261)
going to start the right things and not just start more things. Thoughts?

Natalie Becerra (25:56.597)
Yes.

Bill Dippel (25:59.248)
Yeah, I and Sarah I I would echo a little part of that learners number 10 for me So when I'm thinking about the dynamic you're you're you're broaching What I would say is and Natalie you said this so really well a couple minutes ago I get bogged down with energy and people sometimes I I don't want to be The person leading the charge or rallying the troops or sometimes getting everyone to agree in those

Natalie Becerra (25:59.832)
100%. Yes.

Natalie Becerra (26:17.133)
here.

Bill Dippel (26:26.809)
in what the next step is for us. I cherish the moments where I can push my woo away for a little bit, where I can stop activating right now and I can step into learner or I can, you know, step into those moments where suddenly I can take a breath at the desk and find out the five things that I need to do to go to that next level.

Working with some of the people I've worked with and strategists. It's those moments of learning It's the first half of the meeting where I'm I'm on fire with learner, but then I get tired of it Eventually, I will be like I need the energy I need to go back and I need to start building with people I do have that but I do cherish those moments when I am not all big and wooey and and Individualizing and using all the energy to get me there. So Natalie, how's that? How does that fit in your world?

Natalie Becerra (27:22.484)
Yeah, I think slowing down is so important. I actually I just screenshotted a little quote I saw this morning that I loved and I wrote it down to like put on my computer as a reminder and it said, if you aren't seeing anything inspiring, you're walking too fast.

And I just really loved that. I especially like Achiever Activator, I'm like breezing through things, I'm checking off things, going to the next thing. And I feel the most inspired and the most enjoyment when I can just sit and dream a little bit. But it takes intention and time to sit and do that. And I have to like let my futuristic play a little bit. My mom had this quote growing up, she was always like, it's free to dream.

So I'm a big dreamer. I like always come up with ideas and all the things, but I have to allow myself to slow down and think about those things, be in that strategic thinking domain because I'm constantly pulling into those more dominant domains for myself of people and energy and influencing. And so I think slowing down is so powerful. And I also just really admire the people who can process that way.

I'm an audible processor as communication number one. I have to yap about everything. I have to talk out loud to talk through things. And the people who can just sit and think through things and be so thoughtful, I really admire how their brain works. And I love what they're able to produce that's different than what I would. So, I mean, we need all different strengths. It's not like you need one combination or one strength to get things done and to start new things or to have good ideas.

I think using some of those other ones that are considered slower, quieter strengths are equally as powerful as creating the energy around those ideas and getting things going. Like those are still getting things going, laying a good foundation and a good groundwork that a lot of times is sometimes missing if you just jump into things. So I think people with those strengths high are so valuable.

Bill Dippel (29:22.333)
Yeah, yeah.

Well, and you have ideation number 34 and you just brought up the term idea creation multiple times.

Natalie Becerra (29:28.408)
Yes.

Natalie Becerra (29:34.732)
I know this is a part of my report that I was really confused about at first because I was kind of offended. was like, my gosh, I think I have great ideas. Why is ideation my lowest strength? I thought it'd be competition, which is 33. So very close. I think with ideation, I do notice when I'm around folks with high ideation. So I do know that it is like an area I don't excel at.

One of my close friends and coworkers, she has ideation in her top five. And we work really well together because I sometimes get so locked in on an idea and I'm like, this is how I'm gonna do it. This is how I'm gonna move forward. And she likes to introduce a different way of thinking about things with that high ideation. She also has high strategic. And a lot of times she's right. Like I hate to admit that because I think that my plan is just so great and so well thought out.

But a lot of times I think through that and what she shared and all these different ways she's thinking about it. And I'm like, yeah, I need to like zoom out. I'm too locked in on this one thing. There's not one way to do it. And we have had to keep each other in check because I don't like a surplus of idea. If we're just like coming up with like any idea possible, I have to remove myself from that brainstorm. I'm like, let me know when you've narrowed it down to your like top five things and then let's talk about that. But like,

Like I love to come up with solutions and ideas to solve problems, but I can't sit there and spin my wheels and think of all the possible ideas for things that's not enjoyable. So she does a lot of the brainstorming and idea formulating before and brings a lot of those to me. And then we can talk through what we want to choose. And that works really well as like a strategic partnership for us.

Sarah Collins (31:04.984)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (31:19.097)
Now I think.

Bill Dippel (31:19.325)
so good for the listeners, the arsonists on our show that have ideation. How do you bring that energy to start something new? You're the idea person. You're the one working it. And the idea ideation people that I have that I coach in groups, I hear both of what you're saying. I'm bringing all the I'm bringing this, but I've had high ideation people saying we're failing at our job and we're failing at it because we got off

off of the topic today and we spent an hour not hitting one thing on the agenda. We ideated the next five, ten year or, you know, and loved all of the ideas we came up with. And at the end we went, we got nothing done today. So I'm a little like you. I don't have high ideation. So when they're bouncing everywhere, I'm like, well, we got to we got to capture these. We have to slow down to get these. And I

Natalie Becerra (31:50.488)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (32:14.372)
I see that that part of it if if you have high ideation you're listening to this you bring a certain energy that Natalie and I and Sarah I'm assuming we need we need it there We don't possess it. So we love to have it We love to know that it's there and then knowing what we bring to activate on that or how we could woo the people and Individualize those in the room to motivate whatever ideas we just came up with that's a really strategic way to have a dynamic partnership

Natalie Becerra (32:28.792)
Yeah.

Natalie Becerra (32:33.527)
Cool.

Sarah Collins (32:44.587)
Yeah, it's just making me think. I think as coaches, we probably know this, but for the sake of the pad, I'm going to say it out loud. Starting something isn't about having any one strength. There is no perfect strength for starting something, right? It's about aiming the strengths you have at what you're starting. And I think what we're hearing is there's literally a thousand different things we could start. So I'm thinking like, if you wanted to start a new laundry system in your house and it's just you in your home,

Natalie Becerra (33:12.141)
Bye.

Sarah Collins (33:13.495)
and you have a lot of executing themes, you can probably nail it, did it, done, right? But if you have a lot of executing themes and you wanna start a new project in your office and you've gotta get a bunch of people to agree to it and you don't have those relationship building or influencing themes, you might have all of the ideas and plan to start it, but then you might be like, no one wants to do this. So that's where you have to partner.

with someone like us on the pod today, those influencers, those relationship builders, because activators woo, right? We can bring people along with you. And where vice versa, like I'm great at bringing people along. I can remember when I worked in higher ed, I think it drove my boss crazy. If we were in a meeting, whether if someone had an idea or it was my idea or someone else's, but if I liked it, we would leave that meeting wanting, everyone would want to do it. And I remember my boss looking at me like,

I hate you. Why did you activate everybody onto that? We didn't decide we should do that. But my enthusiasm is contagious. If I love an idea, I can get everybody rolling with it. Vice versa, if I want to create a new routine for doing laundry in my house, like I do have a ranger, so I might have a little traction, but like it can be hard.

Bill Dippel (34:13.98)
hahahaha

Natalie Becerra (34:21.484)
you

Sarah Collins (34:36.441)
harder to do things in isolation for me because I just don't have that backbone of executing themes to rely on.

Natalie Becerra (34:45.28)
Yes. And I love that you're bringing this up because I think a lot of times, like we've said a lot, we think about using strengths in our work a lot, but I've been trying to use them a lot in my personal life. I actually said at the beginning of this year, I was really determined to focus on my six through 10 and specifically in my personal life and how I could use those more because my top five are always on fire. They come really naturally. I'm always using those. was trying to be more intentional about recognizing some of the other ones.

And one of my big goals for this year was finding a routine that works for me. I don't know how this was a thing. I guess maybe just being a college student. I used to have discipline in my top five. If you look at that report, it has fallen off quite a bit. And I struggle with routine as an adult because as a student, your day is blocked for you. You're in class at these times, you're working at these times, you're going all day every day. Everything's planned.

Bill Dippel (35:29.734)
Yes.

Natalie Becerra (35:44.352)
Yes, of course I'm so disciplined when I have all of those things going on to keep me on track. Creating that for myself is not my strength. And so I've been really using my analytical and arranger to try out different things and see what works for me. Whether it's what types of movement I like, do I like going on, I love going on walks, but I don't love to run. I don't love to go to the gym because I'm by myself. So I have to listen to a podcast. So then it sounds like I'm like in a conversation, things like that.

but I've had to learn about myself and how I operate to actually get things done that need to be done. So this can honestly be used for a new laundry system, a new workout routine, whatever it is, it doesn't have to just be your day job and your work. These show up in all areas of your life. So I'm really glad that you brought that up. That's my soapbox for today. I don't know what that's sponsored by, but.

Bill Dippel (36:31.931)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (36:36.593)
Wait, Natalie soapbox moment. Hold on. I have to add this to the end. By the way, Natalie, I think you just leaped slightly ahead of art as our top arsonist. You said my top five strengths are always on fire. You put in the name of the show right in the middle of your and linked it directly to you. I don't know. We might we might get some blowback Liz Lizzie and Mark. But you know, we're going to find out.

Natalie Becerra (36:49.56)
haha

Natalie Becerra (37:01.496)
some competition.

Bill Dippel (37:02.695)
I know now it's tough and your competition's number 33. So congratulations.

Natalie Becerra (37:06.36)
Oh yeah, I don't care about beating them, but I care about the significance and the woo and all of those things being fed. I want to be recognized for that. Like, yeah, that's coming out.

Sarah Collins (37:10.329)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah Collins (37:15.245)
That's right. Remember that Wu has winning at the top.

Natalie Becerra (37:18.741)
Yep.

Bill Dippel (37:19.758)
right.

Sarah Collins (37:20.569)
want to talk about our LinkedIn poll because it might spur some other conversations for us. So on LinkedIn this week, we asked, which strength would you want on your team when starting something new? We had Activator, Strategic, Learner, and Futuristic as our options randomly selected. 18 % said Activator, 47 % said Strategic, 24 % said Learner, and 12 % said Futuristic. What do you think of those results, my friends?

Bill Dippel (37:50.536)
Wow. Act. So I gave us a fist pump at activator. I thought, yes, as an activator, I feel I can jump all over those things. And then I went, wait, strategic. We're moving into the strategic area. I I've coached for quite a while that my activator will see a bright, shiny object and I'll jump right at it. But then shortly thereafter, I get another bright, shiny object and I go after that. And I don't always finish the first bright, shiny. I'd like

It's not that I won't complete it eventually, but I don't really mind if somebody else's name is on it, too. You know, if I'm partnering and getting that over the over that finish line. So for me, when I hear that poll activator is what I want to jump all over. But it's because it's what I'm really good at now in regards to our listeners and to the poll itself. Can I do it without some strategy or periodically?

being married to a pure strategist. Isn't it incredibly beneficial to me that somebody says, actually, before you jump at that bright, shiny thing, think of these two others, because this one might actually be shinier and brighter and just immediately after the time you jump at the first one. So for me, I hear the activator and I get all fluttery and I possess no futuristic in the mid 20s for me. So I don't think.

I don't think forward at all. Matter of fact, I barely remember this podcast was happening today. So that's my fault, right? I didn't step into it and know it, but I would tell you that for me, it's the activator side. And I actually did not respond to your poll this week, Sarah. I blame me. Yes, I know I stepped out of it.

Sarah Collins (39:29.785)
Good, good, you're not supposed to. You know, it's interesting because I think when I think about it, I think those with the strategic thinking domain dominant, they probably are really good at starting the right things. I think the influencing themes are probably really good at getting started on anything. I think relationship building themes are good about building consensus about what we should start.

Natalie Becerra (39:34.316)
Thanks.

Sarah Collins (39:55.961)
And I think the executing themes are doing the thing that we said we were going to start, but they're already almost done with their list of getting it done. I know, I know.

Bill Dippel (40:01.447)
Yeah, I almost think the poll should have been the domains instead of the themes right when I thought about that I'm like cuz I as a relationship guy That's how I start everything who who's involved? How can I get people in where do we get moving on it? And I never strategize but I need people to help me do that

Natalie Becerra (40:20.768)
Yeah, and I think I'm always bringing my activator futuristic combo. So like I'm partial towards those ones. However, I would probably cast my vote for strategic because I seek out those people a lot. Like I said, with my co-worker, she has high strategic and. My futuristic loves to have a plan and I just want somebody to be in that mindset of creating a path to get there. But my favorite thing about strategic is.

the mid course corrections being okay with that. So I know that that person will be hopefully in it for the long haul in some way, like they're thinking ahead, they have some of these different pathways plotted, some different ideas. So I love that mindset. I think learner is probably the one that we're sleeping on the most because it seems like, they've probably got their nose in a book or reading articles and whatever, and they can't get out of that. But I think Bill, what you said earlier,

Sarah Collins (41:08.185)
Mmm.

Natalie Becerra (41:18.528)
speaks to why that's valuable is because you point out that you reach a threshold and you're ready to take the action. And I think those learners have those other strengths around it to then kick it in. They're not going to just keep spinning their wheels, collecting all the information. Eventually, they will tap into something else to keep going because you're never just using one strength. You're always using them in tandem with one or more. So that's a non-answer. I think all of them are very valuable.

Bill Dippel (41:41.095)
Yeah.

It's a good no, it's a it's a good non-answer. I'll take I'll take not answer good for 500 Alex not bad. I It I when I activate sometimes I'm activating my wife too. So I brought up my wife strategic So I am pulling her into the let's move and there are times she is pulling me back saying let's let's think Before we go and then my wife is very gogo. My wife is very motivated get it

Natalie Becerra (41:50.797)
Yeah

Bill Dippel (42:12.676)
Go I've strategized it. I'm ready. Let's make it happen So there are times we push and pull in that way together. So just highlighting that I completely agree with what you said in that there are times my Activator is the one that's really needs to drive the bus and will and we'll start with that and there are times Getting pulled back or think about this or learn this before you jump into it

My wife's so smart, she sends me podcasts all the time of, hey, you need to learn this. It's the only strategy theme in your top 10 and it is number 10. So I know it's going to be a struggle for you to put your headphones in and learn this, learn this as you, as you start. And she's already thought of the nine ways it's effective for us.

Sarah Collins (42:56.397)
Two strengths we haven't mentioned yet that I think could be really powerful. I don't possess them, but self-assurance and command, either one of those, because command is going to take charge, especially if other people are hesitating. So I could see that being really good of like, okay, we got to get this going. Like, let's get started. You do this, you do that, right? Or that self-assurance of those people bring that confidence, especially when things are unknown. So I could see those.

If you have someone with one of those or both of those, they could be a great person to lean on if you need to get something started, but for some reason the ball is not moving, you bring in someone with those strengths and they're going to move the ball in a direction.

Natalie Becerra (43:42.368)
Now it's so true, the dean of our college, she has one or both of them in her top five. And this woman gets things done. Like is always ahead of her fundraising goals, is always on the go, is always connecting with people, starting new projects, getting the college out there. And it's a lot because of those strengths. She's very comfortable taking charge, stepping up using her voice.

and really rallying the troops with that voice. So super valuable. She has a lot of other influencing themes as well in there. And so, yeah, I think those folks, when they use that power to invite people in and get them excited and kind of set that direction, it can be super helpful.

Bill Dippel (44:29.72)
Hmm I I and right as you said that Natalie I was thinking of a of the president of a company that I work with now and She is she has them both very high and just like you said she Absolutely gets it done. I mean if whatever whatever shits about to hit the fan She sorts it out moves it gets it gets the ball over the goal line and she does it effectively and she's

very, very focused on getting it there and she has those. However, there are times where she expects and demands everything from the people around her as well to be also on point like that and not everybody operates like that. So that's been a very coachable moment as we've, as we've started wondering why, why aren't they doing that? Well, wait a minute, let's look at what they are naturally built to do.

And let's not get our nose pushed out of shape. Let's find a way to use that effectively, which I think is really the heart and soul of Clifton strengths and the coaching that we, that most of us do, right? How can we identify and then be able to foster the usage of people that and relationships in ways that aren't native to me. And that's been really, really fruitful for her and how she does this. It's yeah, very, very good. And

I agree with you. Fascinating to watch her work. Fascinating because I don't possess those and man, the drive and the the passion and the ability to just crush and go and go. Very, very fun to watch.

Sarah Collins (46:07.083)
If you... Sure.

Natalie Becerra (46:07.288)
Am I allowed to ask a question? I was like, I know I'm not like one of the hosts, but I just. We're talking so much about strategic thinking and influencing domains and even sprinkling in the execution because we know they'll get things done. But I have coached some folks who have.

Bill Dippel (46:08.858)
Sure. No, no. Sorry, our guests are not allowed at any time to ask questions on our... Natalie, come. What you got?

Natalie Becerra (46:31.592)
four or if not like five of their top five are all relationship building, all blue. And also we have our student run ad agency and four out of their five top strengths is like a full agency was relationship building. And so like, I just, feel like we have to talk about them and the value of it because I don't want them to feel like if they have that and they're just the people people that they can't.

Bill Dippel (46:47.3)
yes, bring it, bring it.

Bill Dippel (46:53.911)
Ha

Natalie Becerra (47:00.586)
get things going or have good ideas or get things done.

Bill Dippel (47:02.308)
I'll just sit back, let this conversation happen as a pure blue. Yeah.

Sarah Collins (47:06.37)
So tell us, Natalie, how do you see them get things started with all that blue?

Natalie Becerra (47:12.064)
I, so one thing with our agency that I did a coaching session for our student run ad agency, their top one was empathy. And my first gut reaction was, my gosh, are we gonna get anything done? Because I, you have to get things done. It's also built around a class. It's a semester. You have deadlines, clients, all the things. It's very deadline driven. But then I thought more about it and being able to connect with

your clients on such a deep level. Or also just understanding what people need. I think that's a really important part of the relationship building domain is being so in touch with other people and their needs and how they maybe work having that observation skill and being able to bring that as an idea.

like, I'm noticing this gap. These certain people are not engaged. We need to figure out a way to engage them and then kicking in some of your friends in the other domain to get things done. So I think they could have some really great ideas or strategies to bring if they want to start something new. I think for those who are all blue in their top five, at least, I mean, that's only a glimpse of part of the report, of course, but it's just, I think, not.

ignoring that superpower of understanding people and then just like finding those partnerships, bringing in those other people with different strengths to help you carry out like that mission of like what you care about or who you care about too. But yeah, I just always like feel for them because I think they do get a bad rap that it's like, you're just sitting around talking to people like, what are you doing? I'm like, no, they're actually doing such important things. But yeah.

Sarah Collins (48:54.297)
Well, I think like studies have come out that said the one of the most powerful leadership strengths is empathy. It's because the best leaders, the best managers are people people, right? Because you have to get people to start something and finish something and do the things. And the way you do that is by knowing them. So if you're sitting here and you're listening, you're thinking, wow, I'm a lot blue, Bill, you, your power is

leveraging those around you, knowing and seeing the people who can do it and getting them to leverage themselves. So I bring this to the people listening who are leaders or supervisors or managers or just colleagues. Ask your people, what themes do you use to start something? Ask them because everybody starts something. The way we do it is going to be different. It's going to look different because of our themes. The way you think they might do it by looking at their themes might not.

be right because this is a puzzle. Everyone shows up different. So I encourage you to go out there and ask people how do you use your strengths to start something? And then maybe also how do you use your strengths to finish something? Because if you're like your girl here, great at starting something, hashtag activator, not always great at finishing. Do if you have a text or an email from me that I have not responded to, please circle back.

Natalie Becerra (50:06.496)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Bill Dippel (50:15.109)
I have several actually that you haven't respond but I and I For many years I worked in the IT worlds for the university I'm very good on a technical area again Sarah has taken full advantage of this and making me the editor and everything of everything about the podcast that requires a technical slant I am very good in

Sarah Collins (50:38.935)
which is the whole podcast, by the way.

Bill Dippel (50:40.677)
Well, not true. She does all she does all the really good social but anyway And I will tell anyone that listens I I am really good technically but that wasn't why I was a good C CIO a VP For any period of time it was because I knew who was better than I was by building relationships with them and Activating with them to to move the ball forward. So as far as the debate question goes today

to start something new and to get going. Natalie, again, you know, I love the fact you brought this up based on all the blue in my world, because for me, it is all about how can I get there with someone else and how are we enjoying that journey and how can how does this strengthen the bond the two of us have together? Or maybe give us a little rift where we can start building and and understanding each other better. Sarah and I do that all the time. We have.

little moments where we talk about, we failed in that way or we failed in this way, but we use it to build. that's that's pure blue for me. That is that. So when you're asking about the all blue top five, I'm all blue top ten. I think the only one that isn't in there is in like number fifteen for me. So, yeah, I I love that you brought it up. And thank you for saying don't throw away the relationship people. They are doing a valuable service because that was why I was really successful doing the things that I did do.

Natalie Becerra (52:04.312)
you

Bill Dippel (52:08.548)
obviously.

Sarah Collins (52:10.401)
Alright, Natalie, now is your time to shine. We want to know when have your strengths been firework moment?

Natalie Becerra (52:18.186)
Yes, I had to choose significance for this question because I feel like significance has been a dumpster fire a few times on this podcast and I feel like it needs some redemption that it's not all bad because it can't be the bad rap.

Bill Dippel (52:23.108)
No.

Bill Dippel (52:30.668)
I love this. Natalie, I love that you chose and you chose number 10. This is I'm riveted. Go.

Natalie Becerra (52:38.37)
feel very strongly about my significant strength, which maybe for significance doesn't surprise people, but I've told Sarah this, but I consider my number 10 significance to be my undercurrent strength. It's very present in everything that I do. Impact and purpose is very important. I'm not somebody who can just, unfortunately, I can't just do a job to do a job. Can't just do a job to make money. I'm like miserable if I don't.

enjoy what I'm doing or care about what I'm doing or see an impact in what I'm doing. And so that's always like an undercurrent. And even though it's 10, I think it's just because the other strengths are my tactics of fulfilling that like purpose and mission. And so they're higher up. And so what I love about my significance is I can find significance in so many things. I think

recognizing people is so important. That has been a huge part of my journey in my leadership development with work that I do with a nonprofit. And it's something I'm really passionate about. And I was at a summer camp a couple years ago that I volunteer with. And one of our fellow volunteers, her intention for the week was to marvel. And that was like such a like special word because I don't think I had really

put a word to what I like to do in my daily life and that's to Marvel. And so that's why I liked that quote a lot today. That was, if you aren't saying anything inspiring, you're walking too fast. Like I just think that with significance, you can find important special moments in daily life and be able to get other people excited about those special moments and get them to care about things. And that's like when I do feel lit up, like when I'm really passionate is when I'm...

fulfilling that significance strength and when that's being fed. So I just, that's my firework because it's when I'm on fire. But yeah, I love my significant strength. I know it gets kind of dicey sometimes. It can be a dumpster fire at times. I will fully own the times that it has been a dumpster fire for me, but I love it. It's like one of my favorite strengths that I have.

Sarah Collins (54:46.967)
I love the word Marvel. I love that. It's really beautiful. And I think it was a wonderful representation of significance and the beauty and wonder it brings to the world and to the people around you. But you know, now we have to hit you with that dumpster fire moment. Are you going to use your significance or bring in another one of the gems?

Bill Dippel (55:04.484)
think she is.

Natalie Becerra (55:07.295)
or bringing somebody else into the villa, into the chat. Sorry, Love Island just got done, so I'm like fully still in that mindset. Yeah, for me, I had to choose futuristic. I have always had futuristic in my top five the two times that I've taken it, and it's very strong for me. It always has been. I'm a person who prefers to live in the future.

Sarah Collins (55:12.441)
I'm so happy it's over.

Bill Dippel (55:14.302)
my god.

Natalie Becerra (55:33.334)
working on being more present, especially with like marveling, like being very present and working on that personally. But I have had to really dial back my futuristic because I'm a military spouse now, which is very hard to be futuristic. You never know when things are going to change. It's very hard to plan. And that was really hard for me at first as somebody who really thrives with having a plan, creating a plan and not just like a short term plan. I love to have like a five, 10,

20 year vision for what my life will look like. And I don't really have that anymore with being in this lifestyle. And so I have had to really dial that back because it was turning into a dumpster fire. I was feeling so sad when I wasn't able to feel like I could plan and it was just getting in the way of things because I was like, what's the point? I can't plan anything. I'm.

Like I just got into this funk and it became a dumpster fire and impacted everything like it shut down all my strengths when I felt like I couldn't use that one So I've tried to mate. It's almost like I'm adjusting the lens on it. Like I'm trying to make it a shorter view More short-term goals short-term plans things that are more within my control

because naturally my brain defaults to so far in the future and loves that. Like the dreamer visionary part of me loves that, but it's not always a part that can be used, particularly in my personal life, in my work life, to some extent, I can use that more, but things are always changing in higher education as well. So that is one that has been a dumpster fire. And when I can't use it and shut it down, it just puts everything into meltdown mode. So I've had to learn how to

fuel it and still use it in a different scope.

Sarah Collins (57:23.321)
I like the words of using a different lens on it because you're right, we've got to use these strengths. We are our best when we are using them. And I'm almost even thinking, sorry, I went into coach mode as you were speaking. I'm almost...

Bill Dippel (57:38.19)
She did. Yeah. You saw the shift, right? It was subtle, but it was there for sure.

Natalie Becerra (57:39.8)
I just saw it.

Sarah Collins (57:42.701)
I'm almost thinking too, and you've probably done this, can you think about your futuristic in the areas of things you can control? So like you probably can't control, I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong, like where are you gonna live? So therefore like where you're gonna work is gonna, all these things are up in the air and those are very like tactical things, but things you can control is like what could you learn, right? Like the, kind of experiences do you wanna have? And I love,

I almost think that that significance of like, wanna be present and marvel in the moment. And so if this life takes us to Chattanooga, I can't control that, but my futuristic can say, well, we are going to marvel and experience and adventure wherever we go. Is that how you see it coming out now?

Natalie Becerra (58:18.581)
I'm

Natalie Becerra (58:29.918)
Yes, and that's why I've had such a shift to focusing on my daily routines and all of that because taking things day by day is fully within my control. Taking things week by week is in my control, things like that. So I've just really brought it down to a more small scale of being able to plan things and also just things that impact myself. So going and getting my master's degree, that's for me. It's for my future.

But it's something that I can just focus on and chunk out and do at my own pace and all the things that's still benefiting, hopefully benefiting future me. And it's for me. I can do it while I'm here. And so I've just really tried to focus on more of the here and now and the things that I can do to set myself up for the future, even if that future is blurry of what it looks like, where it's at, all of those things.

Sarah Collins (59:24.889)
to make that achiever happy in the short term.

Bill Dippel (59:24.963)
Well said, well said. Yeah.

Natalie Becerra (59:27.658)
Yes, because that one also needs to feel some fulfillment too.

Bill Dippel (59:31.459)
Well Natalie, I'd like to point out it is a slippery slope When we start allowing our guests to ask excellent questions on the podcast Pretty soon one of the co-hosts has been kicked off. So you're in Sarah's new podcast should be fantastic. I'll be chiming in listening. I think it'll be great Thanks for replacing me. I truly know I Natalie but

Natalie Becerra (59:40.536)
Ha

Sarah Collins (59:54.797)
If Natalie and I had a podcast, probably would not be about strengths.

Bill Dippel (59:58.688)
Ooh.

Natalie Becerra (59:58.892)
We'd just be yapping about all sorts of random things, probably.

Bill Dippel (01:00:01.761)
I'd still be turning it in.

Sarah Collins (01:00:01.869)
It would be the yapping hour communication and its finest. We would be talking about Love Island, Swag, Justin Bieber's new album. I just imagine that we would be all over the board.

Bill Dippel (01:00:11.011)
I love it. Sarah, you don't watch Love Island. I know you don't. Okay.

Natalie Becerra (01:00:13.015)
Yeah.

Sarah Collins (01:00:16.577)
no i do not but everyone around me does and so i am inundated with love island information which is why i'm glad it's over because i kept hearing about people that had no idea who they were and i was like how is this show on every day i'm so confused

Bill Dippel (01:00:20.384)
I know.

Natalie Becerra (01:00:31.722)
It's a commitment for sure.

Bill Dippel (01:00:31.991)
Natalie Natalie Sarah soapbox moment a couple episodes ago was all about the crap that Netflix is putting out. So that's why we were I was laughing at that. And we both admitted I was like I even brought up Love Island going I I've never seen an episode of it, but man everywhere I go, it seems to show up. So I mean, I'm hearing a lot about it. So I'm sure I'm missing out, Natalie, I'm sure. So all right, I'll take it. Well, again, thank you for coming, Natalie. We're going to we're going to wrap.

Natalie Becerra (01:00:54.616)
Just a little bit.

Bill Dippel (01:01:00.419)
today after taking a lot of your time and a very generous time on your end because you brought some great thoughts, some great ideas and a wonderful episode for us today. So thank you very much for coming on the show.

Natalie Becerra (01:01:12.204)
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Sarah Collins (01:01:13.889)
I don't know and your future might be podcast host. can do that from anywhere. So maybe dreaming dreaming.

Natalie Becerra (01:01:18.871)
So true.

Bill Dippel (01:01:21.059)
Perfect. All right. Well, with that, we're going to sign off. Natalie, again, thank you. As always, thank you, Sarah. I always love doing this with you on a Friday and to our arsonists and to everybody tuning in, checking us out. We will talk soon.

Sarah Collins (01:01:37.273)
Peace.