Strengths On Fire

Mary Hamm (00:03.578)
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Woo.

Bill Dippel (00:09.026)
I get to start with singing. Mary's singing this morning? That that's

Jon Grizzle (00:12.794)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (00:15.166)
What is that? Semi smoke detector?

Bill Dippel (00:16.622)
What was that? Did somebody's somebody's beeping just go off? What happened?

Jon Grizzle (00:20.9)
That was that was on my end. It was it was a microwave. Very excited. I it it heard Mary singing. It was like, I want in on this action. And so it it it's got a mind of its own. I I mean, you know. You gotta be adaptable.

Mary Hamm (00:23.585)
Bill Dippel (00:26.742)
Bill Dippel (00:30.462)
Unbelievable. You invite a guest and they put a microwave next to the mics. I don't how do we deal with this? You know what? That's a perfect cold open. Okay. You know what? That's it. I'm out.

Mary Hamm (00:30.642)
Right.

Mary Hamm (00:37.428)
I really thought it was a bomb.

There it is again.

Jon Grizzle (00:42.192)
There it goes again.

I mean it's it's

Mary Hamm (00:46.1)
Okay, this is either this is messing with my mind right now. I thought I was introducing this sucker today, and the microwave is doing it instead?

Bill Dippel (00:53.262)
So we lost it. We lost it. We lost Mary too. Her audio's all over the board. I don't I Yeah. Yep.

Jon Grizzle (00:53.53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (00:56.564)
How?

Mary Hamm (01:00.084)
Mine?

Jon Grizzle (01:01.466)
Little bit. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:04.24)
I don't know about this.

Bill Dippel (01:06.284)
Yeah. Like your yours is yours is giving us Johnston.

Mary Hamm (01:07.368)
Well, should we just quit?

Jon Grizzle (01:10.33)
Hola.

Jon Grizzle (01:15.777)
We shouldn't. I got this guys. Y'all y'all y'all take a break. I'll just I'll just spend a about, you know, two hours talking and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is great.

Bill Dippel (01:16.942)
You know what? You know what I think?

Mary Hamm (01:22.482)
Is this the one where I get kicked out?

Bill Dippel (01:24.834)
I think I you know what, John and I got this. We're totally good.

Bill Dippel (01:32.674)
Wow, Mary's audio and video aren't linking. We got all sorts of problems with Mary. What is going

Mary Hamm (01:33.585)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (01:37.49)
My dog's not even snoring today. I don't know.

Bill Dippel (01:41.528)
Look at my processing speed. Yeah, Mary's down in processing. All of us are a little down. Huh. We have lost Mary. I mean, just well, I mean, you're you're kinda there a little bit. Let's go ahead and let's just redo it and we'll go with it and we'll see if it'll if it'll link up. It probably will. We'll s we'll find out.

Jon Grizzle (01:47.566)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (01:51.188)
Wait, what? Am I not here?

Jon Grizzle (01:55.172)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (02:02.717)
Okay, y you can use that as a cold open.

Bill Dippel (02:05.218)
I'm gonna use that as the cold open. Are you kidding? That was just the microwave alone.

Jon Grizzle (02:10.809)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (02:13.171)
too funny. All right, is the microwave done now? Are we are we all set? No, you can I'm

Mary Hamm (02:14.451)
No I

Jon Grizzle (02:16.227)
Look give me a moment.

Mary Hamm (02:17.907)
I can't guarantee I'm gonna sing again.

Bill Dippel (02:21.579)
No, you should say it again. I liked it.

Jon Grizzle (02:26.351)
Alright, it's done.

Bill Dippel (02:29.549)
Afraid of Mary's audio. Just scared. I don't know. We're getting I'm I don't know, we're just getting weirdness from you. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, she's I and a part of it's just that local I don't think it's the mic side. I just think you're because we're getting misaligned audio video out of you too. I don't know if your internet connection's funky in your neighborhood today or something's going on. So

Jon Grizzle (02:31.319)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (02:31.431)
Why? What's wrong with it? I don't understand.

Jon Grizzle (02:35.779)
Now it's better. It was crackling.

Mary Hamm (02:45.063)
You don't think it's the mic?

Mary Hamm (02:54.247)
Maybe it's not a beautiful day in the neighborhood then.

Bill Dippel (02:57.303)
Yeah. Maybe not. It is bumpy. It's all right, we'll find out. Go ahead, let's go ahead and restart it and then we'll I'll I'll stitch together what we get and you know, John and I might have a great show. I mean it'll be awesome.

Mary Hamm (02:59.036)
no. It says I have full everything.

Jon Grizzle (03:08.397)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be good. That's good stuff. I'm I'm excited for it.

Mary Hamm (03:11.686)
Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (03:16.051)
I can't wait to get Mary out of the entire episode, John. You and I'll be drinking.

Mary Hamm (03:16.274)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (03:19.491)
Yeah. No, that's good. Well I paid I paid a buddy to go cut her internet connection, but I I guess he missed. It he just got part of it.

Bill Dippel (03:21.879)
This is

Exa that's smart. You know, you don't have to John, in the future don't pay, just I can do it from here. Just let me

Mary Hamm (03:25.839)
This Wow

Jon Grizzle (03:32.031)
that's awesome. Technology, right?

Mary Hamm (03:35.511)
Bill Dippel (03:35.873)
N the new strengths lab, strengths at the bar, John and Bill talking. So how how was your day? Yep. every time we mention a theme, another shot.

Jon Grizzle (03:38.671)
Ha ha ha

Mary Hamm (03:40.435)
How?

Jon Grizzle (03:42.991)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (03:44.659)
I'm still here guys. my goodness. Sounds scary.

Jon Grizzle (03:46.895)
Hear here.

Bill Dippel (03:50.221)
Adaptability.

Jon Grizzle (03:53.775)
Yeah. Good stuff.

Mary Hamm (03:55.209)
I really I really do feel like you can't hear me at all. I d I really feel like you cannot hear me.

Bill Dippel (03:57.528)
Can you hear Mary? I can't I can't hear Mary.

Jon Grizzle (03:59.888)
I can I I can hear, you know, a voice in in the background, you know.

Bill Dippel (04:06.039)
Something is happening. Is Mary here?

Mary Hamm (04:09.092)
Mm.

Jon Grizzle (04:15.151)
There's a ghost in the room.

Bill Dippel (04:15.519)
hello? Hello?

Mary Hamm (04:16.116)
I liked Sarah better. Get her back on.

Jon Grizzle (04:18.647)
I thought it was my microwave talking. I I don't know.

Mary Hamm (04:21.787)
No.

Bill Dippel (04:22.071)
You know, I'd say this this might be the biggest four minute cold open I've ever had. This is awesome.

Jon Grizzle (04:27.055)
Ha ha ha

Mary Hamm (04:28.052)
Are not done yet? What if I what happens if I just press the leave button?

Bill Dippel (04:30.849)
Just just the fact that just the fact John and I are ready to replace you without even trying. It's so good. All right.

Jon Grizzle (04:34.703)
Well we would never

Bill Dippel (04:42.999)
Can't. All right. No, can't. All right, Mary, we're just gonna be quiet. You start again. I I mean I could stop it and start it, but that's that's stupid. So you know, we'll just Hm. Well, it's clearly not a beautiful day in the neighborhood, so

Jon Grizzle (04:43.171)
At least not on air.

Mary Hamm (04:51.592)
I don't know what I'm gonna sing this time.

Mary Hamm (04:58.525)
No.

Bill Dippel (05:00.661)
All right. All right. You ready? Here we go.

Mary Hamm (05:07.028)
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. A beautiful day in the neighborhood won't you? Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, thanks. Yeah, I tried. Hello! Good morning.

Bill Dippel (05:11.681)
The beautiful day in the neighborhood. Ooh, I like the I I I like the accent with it too. I thought that was pretty Yeah, that's kind of creative. I like it. She's she's mixing it up. So good morning, Mary. How are you? Are you are you having a good day? Is it a beautiful day in your neighborhood today?

Jon Grizzle (05:20.069)
that is that's pretty good.

Mary Hamm (05:32.606)
W well, there's rumors that my internet connection is not great, so maybe not, but and I haven't even been outside yet, so who knows?

Bill Dippel (05:36.952)
Dicey at best, really. I mean, that's not that's not appropriate. You need to get outside, get some sun in your eyes. You know, I listen to Andrew Huberman, right? As a podcast guy telling I gotta go out and get sun in my eyes right out of the gate. So, you know, keeps me gets you fueled up, get you moving. So I'm I'm a fan. So I I I I listen to other podcasts, not ours. I don't I totally I of course I do. I listen to every episode.

Mary Hamm (05:46.408)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (05:51.854)
yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (06:02.767)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (06:02.962)
You don't listen to ours?

Bill Dippel (06:06.613)
Mostly 'cause I want to listen to what did I mess up on the edits? What did I put together? You did not. As always, Mary is perfect. John John Mary is perfect. Every edit. It is true.

Mary Hamm (06:10.9)
that's funny. I messed up nothing on the edits. I never mess up on the edits. Ever.

Jon Grizzle (06:17.827)
Well done.

Jon Grizzle (06:22.445)
I yeah, I I that's what I was thinking, you know. That's one of our strengths is perfection. I think that's one of the strengths binder's strengths.

Bill Dippel (06:25.237)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's she she absolutely

Mary Hamm (06:28.348)
And and it's different from perfectionism. Being perfect is just a different thing. Perfectionism, like you're always striving for per being perfect, right? But like I have achieved it. There's none. None. I mean, positivity is also one of my strengths. So yes, I'm very positive about that.

Jon Grizzle (06:36.079)
Sure.

Bill Dippel (06:39.273)
Mm. Mm. So you've achieved it. You

Jon Grizzle (06:41.431)
There's there's no striving. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (06:44.557)
There is no more growth. No more growth in Mary's world. She has achieved it. So hmm.

Jon Grizzle (06:46.489)
Are you positive about that?

Jon Grizzle (06:51.129)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (06:56.183)
That's good. Scoot.

Bill Dippel (06:56.332)
Love it.

Mary Hamm (06:57.236)
My goodness, this is gonna be rough today. I can tell it is.

Bill Dippel (06:59.914)
it's a good episode. John, I think you and I gonna pick on Mary all day long, now that we know she's perfect.

Jon Grizzle (07:00.015)
Mm.

Jon Grizzle (07:05.939)
I yeah, that's that's great. her internet i connection is perfect too, apparently.

Mary Hamm (07:06.358)
my goodness.

Bill Dippel (07:11.969)
You know, I could I I I might turn it off, cut it off every now and then, just to just a frustrator. See if we can

Mary Hamm (07:12.284)
Mm.

Mary Hamm (07:17.0)
And then and then put in other wording.

Bill Dippel (07:19.873)
Yeah. Well s I wanna we're gonna test the perfection on the anger quotient for her today, so

Jon Grizzle (07:26.489)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (07:27.967)
Unless I miss my guess in the cold open, she's gonna be as we pick on her. So as I think I heard that earlier. So I love it. I love it. So all right, you got a question for me today, Mary? I I mean you were all excited, all excited to have the question today.

Jon Grizzle (07:34.351)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (07:35.476)
I did, I did growl a little. Yeah. Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (07:38.339)
Well we could you

Mary Hamm (07:41.052)
I do. Yeah, and then you threw you and John have already kicked me off the show in the in the pre show. So my goodness.

Jon Grizzle (07:47.245)
No

Bill Dippel (07:47.276)
I John, can you hear Mary? Is she there? That's weird. John. John. John's wife Sarah was on the show. Very nice. Very nice. Nice nice throwback. I like it. So all right. Yeah, yeah. I'm ready. Hit me. Hmm.

Jon Grizzle (07:50.593)
I d I I don't know. I can hear you just fine, Bill. maybe we should just keep keep going back and forth.

Mary Hamm (07:54.289)
Mm.

I want Sarah back. Bring Sarah back. Okay.

Mary Hamm (08:05.202)
Yes. Thank you, thank you. Okay, here we go. If you could only use one of your strengths during a zombie apocalypse, which one would you use?

Bill Dippel (08:19.281)
Mm. Mmm. I have a zombie apocalypse and I can only use one strength. I think the only I think the only the only strength I could l realistically use during a zombie apocalypse is Activator, which is number three for me. Because when it comes to reloading or or

Mary Hamm (08:28.041)
One strength. Everything else have died. All your other strengths.

Mary Hamm (08:43.208)
Jon Grizzle (08:46.959)
Hm.

Bill Dippel (08:47.863)
variety of tools. Axes, knives, right? I've got to activate all over that, right? As I'm running through my running through my my world of trying to survive the zombie apocalypse. I've got to activate all over the the the variety of of tools and weapons in my in my category. So yeah. Not bad. Thank you. Thank you.

Mary Hamm (08:51.25)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (08:56.147)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (09:07.604)
That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good.

Jon Grizzle (09:09.071)
That's that's good. I I I tell ya, I I'm gonna I'm gonna win these zombies over. because you know, there what other what other hope is there? Like, hey, you know, I I see you're pretty cold blooded. I'm I get cold a lot too. you know, just make some connections with these zombies, right? And then win them to my side. I think that's gonna be the move.

Bill Dippel (09:16.078)
no. See that's where the zombie guys go wrong. That's where

Mary Hamm (09:25.723)
Ha ha

Bill Dippel (09:28.503)
John's John's John's brain just got eaten. So okay. yeah. That's

Mary Hamm (09:33.608)
Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. I'm glad you went first though, w so that he could he could attack your woo. because I was gonna say woo and I was gonna win them over too, but not anymore because I don't want my brain eaten, you know.

Jon Grizzle (09:33.891)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (09:45.411)
Wow. Well but at least you're part of them, then. They eat your brain, you become one, right? Isn't that isn't that the thing? I don't know. I I'd like to believe that.

Bill Dippel (09:46.345)
Yeah, you're not gonna yeah, you're not gonna win over, Mary. You better pick a new one.

Mary Hamm (09:53.714)
Is that how that works? I actually know very little about zombies.

Bill Dippel (09:55.106)
Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not I'm not a b good zombie guy. I watched Walking Dead for a while. I g I get the zombie side, but you know, I past that I'm not I'm not too Yeah. Early on, like the first couple of seasons and then it then it kinda got

Mary Hamm (10:05.704)
You watched Walking Dead?

Change my perspective of you. It's fine. I've watched zombies. Like the Disney Zombies movies. Have you watched those, Bill?

Jon Grizzle (10:16.271)
That's probably a little different from from Walking Dead.

Bill Dippel (10:18.369)
I'm gonna guess I haven't why but I'm gonna guess a Disney branded zombie show is probably not it's gonna be a little different than The Walking Dead. I'm gonna I I don't know. Mm see, that's why she's bringing out her woo and positivity to to win over the zombies because in in i is it in Disney's world that you can win them over and they and now you now you're having tea and crumpets? Is that

Mary Hamm (10:26.724)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (10:28.119)
We could probably win them over, but

Mary Hamm (10:30.74)
Probably.

Mary Hamm (10:37.896)
I'd bring Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (10:43.746)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (10:45.492)
That's exactly what I was gonna say. I could invite them to dinner. I could have a zombie dinner with them, you know? For sure. I don't see why not.

Jon Grizzle (10:50.039)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (10:50.163)
Wow. Wow. Hmm. I'm just gonna say the zombies in The Walking Dead were a little more aggressive. So I'm just gonna throw that out there. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (10:59.155)
Okay. Yeah, they were pretty amiable in the in the Disney version.

Jon Grizzle (11:00.1)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (11:06.898)
Lots of singing and dancing happened.

Bill Dippel (11:09.191)
Interesting. Interesting. You know, Mary, I I'd almost say you would be using your futuristic and strategic to stay alive. But those are your nine and those are your nine and ten, right? And you know, we like to think that we can use all of our top ten pretty naturally and recurringly, which is not something we can say about our guest today.

Jon Grizzle (11:11.151)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (11:17.076)
Probably, yes. In a real zombie they are. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (11:31.142)
Nope. It is not something we can say about our guests today.

Bill Dippel (11:34.325)
No, we cannot. Well, I can say it. I j I I just can't validate it. I mean there's no yeah. So

Jon Grizzle (11:34.863)
I mean you you could say it. You could. Y you just might not be right. Well, there's that.

Mary Hamm (11:36.988)
We could not. Mm mm.

Mary Hamm (11:43.198)
We can make some some s stabs like zombies. Do zombies stab things? I don't know. At your how.

Bill Dippel (11:49.33)
Mm, I think they just bite things. Yeah. Last I checked, it was zombie tool making, I don't think, is is high on the John. We we do would you like to announce John to the show so people know this odd voice? Because I'm just curious, you know, they're all gonna be hearing is it a three host day is what they're saying right now. So I love

Jon Grizzle (11:49.583)
They they do now.

Jon Grizzle (11:58.798)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (12:00.873)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (12:04.529)
Love to announce John.

Jon Grizzle (12:07.769)
You're talking to Mary, not me. Got it.

Mary Hamm (12:09.78)
Right.

Jon Grizzle (12:12.461)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (12:12.937)
Well, at this point, I feel like you this is the episode where Mary gets kicked off of the podcast and Bill and John take over.

Bill Dippel (12:19.128)
Mary's already off. John, go ahead and introduce yourself actually. Now that

Jon Grizzle (12:21.177)
Hey, yeah, my name is

Bill Dippel (12:25.547)
We we're super proud to have John Grizzle on the show today, and Mary has stepped away, so

Mary Hamm (12:29.461)
You wow Guys, this is gonna be rough. Okay. I have to MC later today. Come on, I need to keep my whatever. My keep the positivity high. Okay, I'm going to introduce our guest, Bill. Hi, good morning. Today we have as our guest, John Grizzle. John P. Grizzle, to be exact. He is giving some spirit fingers over in his corner.

Jon Grizzle (12:32.111)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (12:41.271)
Keep yeah, keep the energy high. We got you.

Bill Dippel (12:46.189)
Okay. Do it. Do it. Good morning.

Mary Hamm (12:59.037)
And John is a longtime friend of mine. And he I met him probably 20 years ago or so. And he is somebody who you want to have at dinner for sure. Even if the zombies are there, you want to have him there. he brings energy and enthusiasm that other people may lack. he can walk into a space and and there is fun that is created there.

he has a way with groups. There go the spear fingers again. He has a way with groups that allow him to create a good sense of team dynamics. And he is also an author. That's a fun little fact. John, I really hope you are gonna talk about your book a little bit today. it sits on top of our our toilet. yep, that's exactly where it is. And

Jon Grizzle (13:30.671)
Yeah, have to.

Jon Grizzle (13:45.647)
All right.

Yes. That's great. That is its rightful place in the home. Yes.

Bill Dippel (13:50.766)
Every author that's what every author longs to hear is that your book is on top of my toilet, so

Mary Hamm (14:00.765)
And and and actually it is on top of the toilet in the boys' bathroom to be more precise. So and yes, we do have gender specific bathrooms in our house. Only because I want my own bathroom. so, John Grizzle, would you like to actually introduce yourself in a in a way that speaks about who you are? Welcome to the show, for sure.

Jon Grizzle (14:00.783)
That is that is a win.

Jon Grizzle (14:06.172)
ow.

Bill Dippel (14:18.615)
W and John, welcome to the show. T tell us about you. Tell us about you, John. Yeah. And by the way, before you go on, what's the difference between spirit fingers and jazz hands? Is there a is there a specific difference?

Jon Grizzle (14:21.193)
Sure. Thank you. Thank you. Well yeah.

Mary Hamm (14:30.397)
Mm.

Jon Grizzle (14:31.501)
Ooh, so yeah, I I think there is a difference. So the spirit fingers is actually waving of the digits. Jazz hands is shaking of the hands. And so there there is a difference. And it's yeah, yeah. yeah. I I can't validate that, but yeah, yeah, that that is the John Grizzle definition. And so you could you can quote me on that.

Mary Hamm (14:34.837)
I do I agree.

Bill Dippel (14:40.301)
all right. Thank you. Thank you. I knew you would be the guy to answer the question, so all right.

Mary Hamm (14:40.661)
Ooh.

Mary Hamm (14:46.869)
I I feel the difference.

Bill Dippel (14:49.879)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Got it. Okay. Got it.

Jon Grizzle (14:55.659)
So yeah, hey, I'm I'm John Grizzle. I work with Bridges in Memphis. We're a local nonprofit and I do team building, professional development, leadership training. we act my my department acts kind of like a fundraising arm of the organization where we bring in corporate groups and nonprofits, educators, for a fee and that goes into the the programming that we do. So we're most widely known for our youth program called Bridge Builders, and so

That's just a quick overview of of me. I've been there almost twenty years and been facilitating full time for for almost two decades and I love it.

Bill Dippel (15:31.147)
What?

Bill Dippel (15:35.959)
Yeah. Nice. What Mary doesn't know is you and I have known each other for what now, about twenty five, twenty six years, been good friends, done a lot of hanging out. We we we decided early on we're drinking buddies, right? So yeah.

Jon Grizzle (15:43.459)
Yeah, yeah.

Jon Grizzle (15:50.503)
Mm. Yeah. And it's why we could easily kick her off the show and just just keep going because of the history we have together.

Mary Hamm (15:54.761)
Wow.

Bill Dippel (15:56.566)
Well, I mean I once again I feel like I've been kicked off the last three or four, so I'm glad you're here, John, 'cause you know, it's my it's it's my time.

Jon Grizzle (16:02.799)
Minu corner.

Mary Hamm (16:03.999)
Okay, I just want to interject right here. John, your wife is my kindred spirit. Be careful what you say.

Jon Grizzle (16:10.253)
Right. Did I did I say that? Could we edit that out? Is that something that could

Bill Dippel (16:11.972)
That sounds like a that sounds like a threat. That's a you know John, do you want to be associated with someone willing to threaten you like that? That that seems extreme.

Mary Hamm (16:15.761)
It is a threat.

Jon Grizzle (16:20.815)
This is this is threatening my positivity. I'm yeah.

Mary Hamm (16:23.433)
Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (16:24.993)
This kind of threatening, kind of threatening my my positivity too, Mary. I'm I'm feeling a little wow. Wow. John, can you hit us can you hit us can you hit us with your strengths? Can you tell us, as our listeners are listening in today's show, what your strengths are? And our listeners are about to notice a little difference in our show today, from how we usually do it. So can you go ahead and hit your top strengths for us?

Mary Hamm (16:29.471)
Good, good. I'm glad. You guys should feel scared right now.

Jon Grizzle (16:52.227)
Yes, top strengths in order. Number one would be woo. Two, adaptability. Three will be input. Four is achiever, and five is positivity. I cannot give you any more than that.

Bill Dippel (17:07.553)
Well, for fur first off, number number one, woo, the best theme, right? We we all agree with that. Woo is number four for me. So yes, it's in my top five. So I you know, the the one that we love, yes. can you keep going, John? Give us your six through ten. Go right ahead.

Mary Hamm (17:13.395)
Obviously.

Jon Grizzle (17:15.301)
Is that yours as well, Bill?

Jon Grizzle (17:19.875)
Okay, but it's on there.

Mary Hamm (17:27.157)
Go ahead, John.

Jon Grizzle (17:28.419)
Yeah, six through ten would be zombie fighter. we've got drinking partner with Bill. let's see, I'd I'd have to look at the results. Have to look at the results, yeah.

Bill Dippel (17:31.981)
Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (17:36.628)
Mm-hmm. Which is a clear strength. Clear strength. So we're picking on John a little this morning, Arsenists, our our favorite listeners, because John comes to us today stepping into our strengths lab. He wants to do a strengths versus reality where he's bumped his head a little bit with his strengths profile. But he comes to us with only his top five, which is something Gallup does do. They allow you to take the top five for a reduced rate.

interestingly, and I I I'm I I I'm gonna point this out early on, John. I work with some other coaches. You know, we have a community, we all get together, and and your your wife is part of that too. She comes and does parts of it and and come and and and provides tools for us and does a lot of stuff for us. what I'm pointing out is some of those coaches when I run into them, they love coaching around the top five. they

They find it a, you know, really workable. They it's something that they really lean into. we do not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do not. I tend to always push my clients towards the full 34 report for probably some reasons. We'll break down as we go as we keep going through this. the Gallup top five is is fairly inexpensive, but it's also a good teaser for Gallup. It allows them to say, here's

Mary Hamm (18:33.021)
They do.

Mary Hamm (18:37.759)
They only need one hand to point them out. Only one hand is needed. Yeah. Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (18:42.505)
That's good. Or one foot.

Bill Dippel (19:01.055)
Here's the bare minimum you need to know. We have so much more information on you. Just release the rest of it. And we jump in there because it gives us the top ten and gives us supporting themes and gives us some customized write ups and a lot of other things that we do in there. So John, just picking on you today for having your top five. I actually find it pretty fascinating because we don't get to coach around a lot of the top five. Mary, do you do the top five off and on?

Mary Hamm (19:24.213)
Actually do. so I I typically will start somebody on a top five unless they're like I am all in type of thing. If they've done a like a coaching package or if they're part of team training and things like that. But if I'm just meeting them and it is like, hey, I'm super I'm kind of interested in this coaching thing that you do, I'll start with their top five. And typically what happens is after and this has happened several times, is after one coaching session and

And we g we're going over those five, they're so intrigued on like, well, what is beyond this? Because I do a lot of educating on the domains and the different the other strengths and everything. And by the end, I'm just like, okay, here's the link to get, you know, to open, unlock the rest of them for you. And people usually, when they have the money to do it, will just go ahead and unlock those because it's so important to see like what else is there. And then when you start like

John, at some point and this is this is not a pressure episode for you, by the way. I hope you know that. Do you feel that? but also like I'm doing it now. that that it also helps with those partnerships that are going on and and that kind of thing. So it just helps. But I do I do a lot of coaching around the top five and I find it fun and th but it does we do miss out on other things. But I think it's

Jon Grizzle (20:27.471)
Sure. I'll I'll do it, I'll do it.

Jon Grizzle (20:35.225)
Ha.

Mary Hamm (20:51.398)
especially since Gallup redid their their five reports and it is very specific to the person. So John, even though you only have your five, your report, your top five report has things in there that are specific to you. So even though we share we share three of our top five, my like my woo is gonna look different than your woo because of my other the because of the 34 and how they land.

so even though you don't know all of them, you still have these action steps and these these things that talk about your current strengths that are impacted by the other strengths that you don't see on that report yet. It's a cool report.

Jon Grizzle (21:20.547)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (21:34.82)
That's cool. And I I was thinking about it. Interestingly enough, I actually when I started at Bridges over nineteen years ago, this was one of the first things we did. Like when we got hired, we took strengths finders. So the these results are from nineteen years ago. And so that's I can. yeah, these results are from nineteen seventy six. It was a little before I was born, but you know, futuristic is not one of my strengths.

Mary Hamm (21:45.48)
wow.

Mary Hamm (21:51.136)
I really thought you were gonna say like nineteen eighty five. I like, How old are you?

Bill Dippel (21:54.093)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (22:03.2)
Huh? You don't know, actually. You don't know.

Bill Dippel (22:04.225)
Lord Well,

Jon Grizzle (22:06.025)
I I I I'm pretty sure, you know.

Bill Dippel (22:08.447)
Actually ac actually as a coach, I can tell you John took his assessment on eight thirteenth, two thousand seven.

Mary Hamm (22:17.526)
There you go. There you go.

Jon Grizzle (22:17.594)
look at there.

Bill Dippel (22:18.549)
There you go, John. It's actually always in the top right component of your report.

Mary Hamm (22:22.774)
It is. I took mine in two thousand six, so I have you beat. Actually I think I took mine in two thousand eight. I just wanted to win.

It's actually not, yeah, but I really like it.

Jon Grizzle (22:32.707)
Competitive. Is that one of your other strengths?

Bill Dippel (22:36.087)
Yeah. Yeah. all right, John, I'm gonna go ahead and turn Mary's mic off. we're gonna keep going on

Jon Grizzle (22:38.137)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (22:41.792)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (22:47.082)
This feels like growing up.

Bill Dippel (22:49.525)
Th see, this is how I feel on most of the episodes. You you when you're cutting me out, Mary, just just saying so. Yeah, I'm ready.

Mary Hamm (22:54.838)
wow. Hell, speaking of cutting you out, Bill. so my husband, who's an advid listener of this show, he listens every Tuesday now since I've given him a hard time that one Wednesday when he hadn't listened to it. And he said, quote, I'm tired of listening to everybody that's like you. You needed to have somebody on there that's not a woo. Cause apparently everybody we've had on is like pretty energetic and woo-like.

Jon Grizzle (23:07.151)
Hello, Mike.

Bill Dippel (23:09.943)
Huh.

Mary Hamm (23:23.466)
and I was like, We had Sarah on. She's not high and woo. She's he's like, but she's still like you. She's still like energetic and stuff. So he I believe he's offered to be a guest because he need he's like, I need somebody who's gonna be like slow and methodical and actually think about the responses before they respond. And I'm like, Yeah, but we'll have to cut out a whole lot of of like dead time there. So I don't know, maybe he'll show up one of these days, but I wanted to let you know.

Bill Dippel (23:43.533)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (23:47.213)
Hm, interesting. Well, let me ask, John, should we have her husband on, you and I? I mean

Jon Grizzle (23:55.13)
think so. That would be great. You know? yeah. Mary, what if you just like stepped aside and Mike just popped on now? Like that just just holler at him. It'll be great. Yeah, yeah, that'd be good.

Bill Dippel (23:58.05)
I think I think he'd be a great guest, I

Bill Dippel (24:05.953)
Just just have him and One Eyed Pie come in. you know, you can pet one-eyed pie while he's talking to us. that's a dream, dream dream episode right there. all right. Enough picking on Mary. I'm sorry. So John, we we brought you in today because you have a strengths versus reality laboratory component for us today.

Mary Hamm (24:06.166)
You want me to call

Jon Grizzle (24:14.884)
Ha ha

Jon Grizzle (24:19.151)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (24:21.563)
man. Okay. Thank you.

Bill Dippel (24:33.205)
I like it. I I had a little strengths versus reality. I recently I was at a w I got invited to a party with a bunch of people I do not know. Like do not know. And sat down and it is woo number four and high high number one individualization. I'm picking the unique traits of people and I'm I started by wooing it up and I realized I am just washing over these people. They're like, who is the new guy?

Mary Hamm (24:43.542)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (25:02.131)
What just happened? Literally, I I ride a Moto Goozi motorcycle and I parked it in town. And some guy left a note on it and said, I also ride a Moto Goozi. call me. So I called him and he said, Hey, big event going on out like 40 minutes from Reno, with like goozies from around the western United States. And I was like, There's more than two of us in the western United States driving motoguzies. Interesting. So

Jon Grizzle (25:18.159)
Wow.

Jon Grizzle (25:23.427)
Ha ha.

Bill Dippel (25:27.145)
I rode out there for a Saturday just to hang out. And I'm sitting there right when I get there and I'm just washing over people. I mean, just, hey, my God, and you drive a Norge and you have another Griso and you know, you have a Stelvia, and we're talking, and I'm, you know, and I could just as a woo over the years, I've learned a sense that okay, you're you're coming across a bit car salesmany, like, you know, you're too happy to be a member of the group. Everyone's like, whoa, wait a minute. So fortunately that was with a small

Jon Grizzle (25:27.651)
Nice.

Jon Grizzle (25:49.079)
Mm.

Jon Grizzle (25:53.241)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (25:54.478)
contingent that was there right when I got there. And then I I learned as dinner came on and progressed, I got to sit back and listen to a lot of their war stories. They've been doing this for twenty two years. And when I don't pull my woo back, I don't get to hear those stories, right? If I'm washing and and pushing, I get to hear how much they appreciate each other and the bikes they've had over time and listen to it. And then what was great is after

Mary Hamm (26:10.142)
Mm, yeah.

Jon Grizzle (26:11.481)
Sure, yeah.

Bill Dippel (26:20.077)
quite a bit of time of me individualizing, ramping that up and hearing the uniqueness about the things they do. Then it was more of a warmth, hey, come back in, you know, and and let's you you seem like a pretty good guy. Let's talk about those. And then I could taper the woo in a little. So again, not not totally changing who I am, just knowing how my different strikes played and how my strengths reality came across for me. really recently, this was last weekend. So I was like, this is this is pretty great. So

Mary Hamm (26:25.822)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (26:48.257)
That's a that's a strengths reality lab that experiment that I ran into, John. You have one for us that you were thinking of. What what does that strengths reality lab look like for you?

Jon Grizzle (27:01.379)
Yeah, well the actually as you were sharing that story, it made me think of something else. A week ago I went to a high school reunion and, you know, just thinking about and and a lot of the folks that were there I I wasn't as connected to. a lot of the the closer people weren't weren't there. But my thought was, I'll just go. It'll you know, use it as a networking opportunity just to kinda rub shoulders with people and I get there and

Bill Dippel (27:06.615)
Go.

Jon Grizzle (27:30.393)
As a woo I generally find myself like able to enter a space and and you know, be comfortable. I and I don't know how much of this was because I was not feeling well, my ears were a little clogged up, it was a really loud room, but I I

I ended up Sarah and I went and I ended up after about thirty, forty five minutes I was like, You wanna get out of here? I'm ready to go. and yeah, and we ended up going to a quiet restaurant and th that is very not like me. Usually I like to be in the in the hustle and bustle of things, but that that was not the case last week. So interesting, fun story. But

Mary Hamm (27:52.128)
Wow.

Mary Hamm (28:02.337)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (28:06.583)
Hmm. Hmm. yeah, I I I do point this out when I'm coaching people frequently. The woo part of me, if I'm invited to a a big group of strangers, even with this motorcycle one that I've that I've highlighted today, I don't always want to go because I know all the energy it's gonna take to meet all of those people. And there's a lot of energy there. But I thought, wow, i if I don't do it, I'm gonna miss out on.

Mary Hamm (28:06.719)
Interesting Yeah.

Bill Dippel (28:34.945)
Bunch guys that are, you know, kind of have motor motorcycle interests like I do. and maybe some good c connections if I needed to, 'cause motogoozies are rare enough. We gotta communicate with each other. One of the motogues a hundred and five years old. I didn't know that. I found that out while I was there. And one of the shirts that about four of the guys had on on the back, it says Moto Goozy. 105 years of turning writers into mechanics because you gotta work hard.

Jon Grizzle (28:51.491)
Wow.

Mary Hamm (29:02.785)
Ha ha.

Jon Grizzle (29:02.99)
Ha.

Bill Dippel (29:04.781)
And there are questions I have about my goozy that I have, you know, I want to bounce off people that are but much better at it than me. And if I don't go, I don't get that opportunity. So I hear what you're saying, you know, around, hey, I I wanted to go because I wanted did want to meet those people, but I was backing off because of I know the energy and power component that's going to be draining. And in the end, I think you'll probably agree with me on this, John. In the end, it's great.

Right. I mean, you still met a couple of people. You you know, it was that was okay. For me, meeting this group was fantastic. In the end, we're if I'm in that group of people that I don't generally know at the end, I'm like, actually I had a great time. It was pretty good. for you, you were just like, Let's go. I don't know anyone here, right? I'm I'm out. But you probably had a couple of connections that you clicked with and people that you were glad you ran into, fair. Yeah. Yeah. That we got fed just enough there. So I like it.

Jon Grizzle (29:55.788)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (30:01.197)
yeah.

Mary Hamm (30:02.231)
Do you think that how you've been feeling during the day f feeds into your was that at at at night the event? Okay. So had you already been doing a lot of wooing during the day?

Jon Grizzle (30:09.495)
It was, yeah.

Jon Grizzle (30:16.021)
No, but I had been sick for two weeks and was still feeling a little rare. And so yeah, I was just exhausted and wasn't looking forward to it, but I was like, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and go.

Mary Hamm (30:19.356)
goodness. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Right.

Mary Hamm (30:30.165)
Yeah. F and feeling more like an obligation, like I said I was gonna go, so I'm gonna go. Interesting. I wonder if responsibility's in that top ten. Huh. wait, this is not a blind blind strength, is it?

Jon Grizzle (30:36.046)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (30:40.907)
It it it might be. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It is now.

Bill Dippel (30:45.493)
sh now we gotta start guessing. We gotta start guessing those other ones. So and John, I don't know what it is for me. I don't like school reunions. Like you know, my high school reunion comes around and my college reunion might come around. And there's something about going back in time and I have no context. Context for me as a theme is number thirty-four.

Mary Hamm (30:48.001)
That'd be fun, right? Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (30:52.057)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (31:13.077)
So from a history looking backwards point of view, I'm like it just means nothing to me. And so I don't know. There is something about a school reunion where I've got to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to remember what we did together or how we where it doesn't that doesn't actually fuel my woo and it doesn't fuel me much. I I find the school reunion part is a bit different. how about you?

Mary Hamm (31:18.485)
Don't care?

Jon Grizzle (31:20.407)
Mm.

Jon Grizzle (31:41.102)
You know, I think one of the things that's interesting to me is that when I first took the assessment, I mean this is o almost twenty years ago, I my personality was a little bit different too. and the way that my woo got fed then feels different now.

Mary Hamm (31:54.539)
Hm, yeah.

Jon Grizzle (32:01.547)
I don't know if that's a common thing like over over time, but I was very interested in just those like micro connections of like, you know, quick touch points and the older I've gotten as I've matured more like I I kinda crave like some deeper relationships, as opposed to just that surface level like quick I'm I'm still good with with those, but I think it's just it's just different now than it was almost twenty years ago.

Mary Hamm (32:01.665)
Sure.

Bill Dippel (32:28.951)
Deeper relationships, Mary G's relator, possibly in that right, six through ten. I if only we knew.

Mary Hamm (32:31.051)
I know I heard that. I heard that. But but that's also one of Sarah's. So I wonder if if like, you know, people pull each other a little towards each other, right? Like, you know, and so I wonder if you're like feeding off of some of of Sarah's relator, right? Or maybe you're one of those people like Bill who have Woo and Relator in their top ten. We w we just don't know. Just don't know.

Bill Dippel (32:57.483)
Yeah, we're just we're gonna hammer that home on you, John. So

Mary Hamm (32:58.167)
Ha ha ha.

Jon Grizzle (33:00.749)
No, that's good. It's good. just leave you guessing.

Bill Dippel (33:02.615)
So and I think this is gonna highlight why as coaches often if we don't release the full thirty four, we would love to know that six through ten. mostly because they support maybe the floor eleven through fourteen or so, eleven through fifteen, see what the truly supporting ones for the top ten are. 'Cause that gives us some really, really good input as to what's supercharging which, which ones are right behind each other, which ones we can see, John.

but the fact that you're a woo number one we know is the best theme ever. That that alone speaks good volumes about you. So

Mary Hamm (33:37.173)
And we just lost all the people who do not have Wu in their top.

Ooh. Hey, John, you mentioned that you have a couple like that scenario came up as Bill was talking. Do you have another scenario that you wanna bring up?

Bill Dippel (33:43.454)
Hm. Interesting.

Jon Grizzle (33:45.774)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (33:54.82)
Yeah, so and it it's not necessarily woo related, so y'all can come on back, those that are you know, not loving the woo.

Mary Hamm (33:58.649)
That's okay.

Ha ha

Jon Grizzle (34:04.505)
But I I'm gonna go with the next one being adaptability. so yesterday this this worked out well. So I worked with about twenty-ish, twenty-four students, twenty-five students that were seventh graders. we work with youth too, but also adults. We had two groups simultaneously yesterday. So we had twenty-five students in seventh grade, then we had about twenty-four people that were a corporate group on the other side of the building and

Mary Hamm (34:08.909)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (34:33.635)
kinda bouncing back and forth between the two groups. And one of the things that I needed to do was I was working with

Youth and we were doing a a challenge called pipeline, you know, moving a marble from point A to point B using little plastic pieces. Well I needed to do the same challenge with the other group on the other side. Well we have plenty of those materials, but I'm looking for I can't find because we've got to do it, you know, somebody else is facilitating with with the youth and I've got to take a set of those over to the other side. I can't find the materials. I'm like, that's not great. We do have another set that the pipes are big.

I don't love that because you don't have as much control, but I was like, well, I I've got to take something and I don't want to completely adapt my plan. So I I did that and I took kind of a mix of both.

Not ideal because it it just makes it challenging, but I was like, I can adapt, I'll do that, and make it part of the challenge. And and they did not succeed, but that's not really the point of the challenge, is like, do they succeed or not? It's it's more like what can you learn from from this? But it's I guess being able to adapt in the moment of like

Okay, I'm gonna use this. This is here. I'll y I'll take this over and and it went fine. It went great. Even though they didn't succeed, like the outcome was was still positive in the sense of the results that you get from the challenge. 'Cause I mean it really doesn't even matter and we could do any kind of challenge. We could throw a ball to each other and then process that and talk about the connections to to work. but

Mary Hamm (35:57.761)
Mm.

Jon Grizzle (36:11.213)
Yeah, that's one example of positivity or or not positivity, but adaptability. But I was able to kind of keep it positive and and all that. Also go ahead.

Mary Hamm (36:16.344)
Adaptability.

Mary Hamm (36:22.06)
Did the kids know that you had to adapt? Like did they know that you were using different materials or anything? They had no idea, right? Okay. Okay.

Jon Grizzle (36:29.677)
No. No. Yeah, they they had no clue.

Bill Dippel (36:33.345)
Yeah, I I I actually I like that you brought in the positivity. I would say your positivity and adaptability were both shining through to make that happen. I you know, I can't I can't show them that I'm frustrated by the difference of the kit. I can't I've gotta make sure that the the energy is high in the room while I adapt and make the put these kits together with different sized straws and and plastic parts. And I I I love that positivity and adaptability are both in there for you.

you were a little too happy when you said they failed. little Schadenfreud, I feel, John. but you know, seventh graders, wow, way to way to drop you know, drop hard. But I I I got it. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, I hear it. Again, a little too happy, John. I I you know that I I like that it's there, but that adaptability really shines through. I I I get that component.

Mary Hamm (37:06.924)
Ha ha ha

Jon Grizzle (37:08.345)
Ha ha ha.

Jon Grizzle (37:15.609)
Yeah I was talking about the adults. They they failed they failed too.

Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (37:31.79)
Well and and the other piece of that is like we learn more from our failures than from our successes. So like it is good. It's okay to fail. And you know, and and the positivity, I can spin it. Like when somebody fails at something, like, hey, yeah things didn't go great, but what did work, what did go well in this and how can you apply that to what you do day in and day out? And so that even in my processing of the challenge

Mary Hamm (37:47.586)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (37:57.58)
I feel like I'm able to bring that positivity in and and spin it in a way that it's not just, you know, Danny Downer like, well, whatn you know, that's terrible.

Mary Hamm (38:08.108)
John, a as somebody who uses play all the time in your work, right? you used a phrase just a little bit ago of like it wouldn't matter what the thing was, we could throw a ball and have it bounce off someone's head. I don't know if you said that, but and and then process through it, right? 'Cause it's all about the processing time. Can just for fun, can you tell us more about why that's important, why it's important for a team?

Jon Grizzle (38:21.423)
I should.

Mary Hamm (38:35.052)
Whatever you wanna say about that, 'cause that's I think that's so important. Like we do these little fun little experiments, but if you don't have that time to process through, then are is it just a fun little game or is it like you're learning something?

Jon Grizzle (38:49.133)
Sure. I mean I think overall it's just a game unless you make it a little more and that that processing at the end kind of helps connect the learning. So we're all about experiential education, learning by doing. So getting your body moving engages the brain and allows you to kinda

make some deeper connections and then that the questions that we ask after whatever challenge is really kind of helping to to connect the dots of hey so you did this how does that show up in the workplace and what can you take from that that will help you move you know forward with your interactions with each other

Mary Hamm (39:28.044)
Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (39:28.331)
Smart, smart. And some of the coaching that we're doing and and we're basing this in some of the modern science around happiness and contentment and the and the joy that that you brought to what you're doing circles around the idea of and and for lack of a better word, suffering, the sufferer score. In other words, if the if the marble moved all the way from one end to the other and it wasn't that tough.

The contentment that you get out of it is a fraction if you it unless you suffered to get it there, right? The suffering and the and the work hard and the I you know, I have to do it again and I and the the com the hardness of the of the task, the difficulty is directly related to the ability to ha take the moment in at the end and enjoy it and and be able to say, I accomplished that and actually feel that greater accomplishment overall.

Jon Grizzle (40:02.947)
Yeah. that's good.

Bill Dippel (40:26.166)
and I'm I'm sure in most of your games you've spotted that as well.

Jon Grizzle (40:31.439)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's it's good to see and there's another one we do that my colleague hates doing because people struggle through it so much and I I love it because that that the learning is in the struggle and letting somebody really work through stuff, at first I didn't like it. I I didn't like

i it felt so uncomfortable seeing people struggle but but to see the outcome afterwards of like, okay, this is really worth it. It's worth it to let a group really struggle for a for a while. But then when people start to check out, it's like, okay, let's give a little little assistance. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (41:01.773)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (41:10.328)
What can we do now? do you think that is it's just as beneficial? I know you work with a lot of kids. Is it just as beneficial for this kind of play to happen with adults?

Jon Grizzle (41:22.549)
absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think that it's it's funny because what drew me to the job was, you know, my background is in education. I've got my degree in special education, so I was a classroom teacher for a while and I'm still I still consider myself a teacher. It's just not in the traditional classroom setting and I really enjoy working with adults. I love seeing that light bulb go off when

you know, something happens, it's like, they're they're actually learning in a in a creative and fun way and so

Bill Dippel (41:57.602)
Yeah, yeah. I so a shout out differently to you, John, and and I joked with you the first time you and I met. We we connected on Sarah's episode, you jumped in on the background and I I flexed that I have a buzz ring here. And I will tell you that I've started incorporating it into my small group, even C suite. I've used it now about three or four times.

Jon Grizzle (42:14.831)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (42:16.269)
Ha ha ha

Bill Dippel (42:26.509)
And for our arsonist, a buzz ring is a is a stainless steel ring that has a bunch of smaller rings on it. And you get the smaller rings rotating and and buzzing and you have to keep motion on the long on the big ring to keep the smaller rings moving. And I've incorporated that with a couple of C suites because you pass it among all of us and simply say, Hey, if we're communicating and we're working together.

the energy stays up and then the rings continue. When we don't communicate and we're not thinking and working with our fellow partner, the rings will stop. Then the and and there is a a suffer score on this because I don't I don't think I've had a group that has gone all the way around without it failing at some point. And then starting it up again is is I would say difficult. I I even suffer with doing it and I've practiced it quite a bit. So

Jon Grizzle (43:06.351)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (43:06.508)
Supper school.

Mary Hamm (43:11.673)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (43:18.649)
Ha ha

Bill Dippel (43:22.613)
At some point, John, I'm gonna have to get you to show me how the how the perfect s way to start a buzzering is. But I

Jon Grizzle (43:25.695)
yeah.

Mary Hamm (43:26.617)
I'm guessing that's like next weekend when you guys go out drinking again. Is that what's happening?

Bill Dippel (43:31.542)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that suffer goes up, right? Especially the person that it failed on. And then when it gets to them the next time they are all in, right? And that feeling of accomplishment gets pushed. And that opens up the coaching domain for us. for everybody in the circle. We can now sit down and say, How did it how was that when that failed? How was it when it when you actually completed it? so kudos to you for a lot of what you do and the the

Jon Grizzle (43:31.715)
Yeah. Yeah. that's definitely. Definitely.

Mary Hamm (43:39.81)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (43:45.389)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (44:01.523)
way that you're building into having people understand what their strengths are in a different way. But also when failure happens, how do you pivot? What do you move to? How do you come back from this a little better? And how does that in emotionally and internally make you feel? I assume those are all questions that you bring up pretty routinely during the success and failure components for both children and adults, correct?

Jon Grizzle (44:27.391)
yes. Yeah. For sure. I think it's it's really

good to be able to there's there's a process called the experiential learning cycle and the idea is to kind of ask questions in a way that follows that that process you know start light work your way deeper so it it moves from the actual activity of hey what happened in this you know and then generalizing processing to to the point of okay how can you use this what just happened there how can you apply that to to school how can you apply that to work

Mary Hamm (44:56.398)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (45:01.805)
How what have you seen in the like long term like people taking what they're learning in these experiential learning situations and then actually applying it? Do you see any of that in the work that you do?

Jon Grizzle (45:18.555)
I you know, some we we've started doing more evaluations that are just f f from the moment, but I don't often w work with groups that are repeat in the sense of I see the the progress, you know. I I would say a majority of what I'm doing is two to four hour experiences of just kind of getting people connected, getting people to get to know each other a little bit.

Mary Hamm (45:36.099)
Like coming back.

Jon Grizzle (45:48.278)
I have recently become certified to do the disc assessment and the five behaviors of a team. And so yeah, so that is a little more deeper team development that when we do those it's it's kind of multi sessions and you can see the progression a little more definitively.

Mary Hamm (45:53.721)
congratulations.

Mary Hamm (46:05.495)
Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

Bill Dippel (46:09.282)
Very nice. Yeah. Sorry, Mary, I was cutting you off.

Mary Hamm (46:11.993)
Okay. I I'm used to it by now, Bill. It's just my life.

Bill Dippel (46:16.398)
John, did you hear another voice on the podcast? I something something something was back there. Something's back there. I So yeah, j go ahead, Mary.

Jon Grizzle (46:16.431)
No, no. I I I didn't, but you know, it's it's fine.

Mary Hamm (46:22.211)
Here we go again. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Wow. so so your strengths are woo, adaptability, input, achiever, and positivity. Have you seen we've kind of talked about woo adaptability and positivity. Where do you see your input and achiever hanging out?

Jon Grizzle (46:44.995)
Yeah, w especially so for input. I don't know if you see my virtual background here, it's books. I very much related that to to my input because I I love and and this is something that has I guess just continued over the the last twenty years or so and w realizing that input was a strength. I love reading, I love learning new activities, I love going to conferences and

Mary Hamm (46:50.26)
huh.

Jon Grizzle (47:15.171)
That's where I I learn a lot of the, you know, new methodologies, new activities, things like that that I'm always looking to learn. I mean, I even next week I'm signed up for a virtual workshop and I just love looking for opportunities and chances to try new things. And so I see that at play in my day to day work life. trying new things with groups and and all of that. And

Bless you? I d I didn't I didn't even hear it. I s I saw a sneeze. I saw a sneeze happen. I I well well thank you. Thank you. yeah.

Mary Hamm (47:44.697)
I muted myself.

Bill Dippel (47:45.576)
I don't know. I don't know. She tried to hide it. She tried to hide it. I don't

Mary Hamm (47:52.256)
Sneeze while you are talking.

Bill Dippel (47:56.003)
Mar Mary's mom, I wanted you to know we still blessed her even though she she didn't make the noise. We saw it. So yeah. too too funny. So John, I'm curious on the input side. a lot of the input people that I work with, a lot of the people I deal with, they listen to podcasts. But you let us know early on, you're not much of a podcast listener. Is that fair?

Jon Grizzle (48:01.55)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It it happens. Yeah. But

Mary Hamm (48:03.907)
My goodness.

Jon Grizzle (48:18.403)
That is fair, yeah. I I've just recently maybe, yeah, I'm I might. as soon as Bill, you know, mutes out some of the excess no wait, no, did I say I I didn't say that out loud. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's yikes. but yeah

Mary Hamm (48:20.057)
Are you gonna listen to this episode?

Bill Dippel (48:30.658)
You mean the You mean the you mean that that that that ghost voice that keeps popping up? yeah, yeah, I'll get Actually Mary'd be a fun ghost. She'd she'd just do all sorts of

Mary Hamm (48:31.09)
well.

Mary Hamm (48:38.905)
will haunt you both.

Mary Hamm (48:46.187)
It's actually one of my my goals in life is to be able to come back and haunt people. So just keep that in mind, guys. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ghosty. Go ghosty.

Jon Grizzle (48:52.537)
Yeah. Is that the thirty s the the thirty sixth strength, the ghosting? Is that

Bill Dippel (48:57.368)
Thirty eight. Yeah. It's the it's the one at the very, very end. The thirty eighth.

Jon Grizzle (49:01.201)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (49:03.545)
it's my sixth.

Bill Dippel (49:06.552)
So but you don't from the learner side, you don't the podcasting thing doesn't resonate with you, or the input side, right?

Jon Grizzle (49:12.306)
Aye.

Yeah, I I've just recently gotten into audiobooks. I would say maybe a year ago. and I I love reading. I have not been reading much lately. And part of it, I don't know if it's just seasons of life. It's it's hard to sit down and if especially like the the time that I have to read is right before bed. If I get a book in hand and I'm laying down, I'm usually out in like two minutes. So I it takes so long to get through a book. And so I've started listening to audiobooks. you know, when I've

Bill Dippel (49:18.904)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (49:42.51)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (49:43.478)
doing dishes or laundry or whatever and and that's that's been feeding that part of me. But yeah, sometimes going to conferences and maybe this is the the feeding of the woo part of like connecting with others while learning. I really enjoy that.

Mary Hamm (50:00.642)
Do you like virtual conferences as much as in person conferences? Yeah. Do you get do you get the same in person? Right.

Jon Grizzle (50:04.739)
do not. no, I I would prefer to be Yeah, I would prefer to be in person. but I you know I just signed up for this virtual workshop for next week and I'm like that seems like fun. I think I'll check it out. So you know.

Mary Hamm (50:21.592)
Okay. And for our listeners and those especially who are coaches in the in and have gone to a Connect Learn Share, I actually just like to drop Connect Learn Share all the time so that Charlotte's like, Hey, they're still talking about us. but Michelle Cummings has always represented at these Connect Learn Share. And I know, John, you've had some d have you done some trainings with her or what's your connection? Do you even have a connection? I pretend like you do.

Bill Dippel (50:34.994)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jon Grizzle (50:46.497)
Mhm. Well, I she she leads a lot of the workshops, that at the conferences that I go to and that's how I I connected with her and so

Mary Hamm (50:51.607)
Right.

Mary Hamm (50:55.416)
'Cause she's kind of like the like the guru on play, right? On this experiential learning.

Jon Grizzle (51:01.069)
Yeah, and and ironically enough, you you mentioned my book. One of my books is called Team Building a la Carde. It's team building with playing cards, and it was it was inspired, right, right. This was inspired by Michelle's book, Playing with a Full Deck. I read that, you know, years ago. I was like, that's amazing. And so I I, you know, did my own. The the bathroom book, it's a bathroom humor book that is

Mary Hamm (51:09.482)
It's so good. That's not the one on my toilet.

Mary Hamm (51:21.036)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (51:26.082)
Ha ha ha.

Jon Grizzle (51:27.593)
it's a bunch of fake names, you know, that are puns. So a buddy and I, like back in college started just cr making these fake names. Hey, I met somebody new today and you know, like the karate instructor, Marshall Arts.

You know, it's just one example of that. And so we were like, We should we should write these down. And then we started writing them down. We had like eight hundred or so. We should write a book. So we did. We got a thousand and one fake names. It's called The Useless Book of Meaningful Names, The First and Last Name Guide for Those in Desperate Need of an Alias. So and it's it's

Mary Hamm (52:00.867)
And you can find it where? How can people purchase this?

Jon Grizzle (52:02.967)
You can find it on Amazon. Yeah, you could you could find it on Amazon. And it it's its rightful place is buy your toilet. It's it's to be a bathroom humor book. And if you don't like the book, there's an empty page at the end if if you get desperate. So

Mary Hamm (52:06.359)
Guys.

Bill Dippel (52:18.382)
I can write in my own names if r if required at the very end. Right. The ones I come up with. a desperate alias book. Huh. You know, I I I am I'm all in. I unknown, I I think even to you, Mary, I've been toying and writing a book for a while. And it's I'm doing this differently than most coaches that write strengths books. There is a strengths component in it, but it's actually all fiction. and it's

Jon Grizzle (52:20.801)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (52:28.056)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (52:44.769)
Uh-huh.

Jon Grizzle (52:47.383)
Ooh.

Bill Dippel (52:48.006)
It's a it's more of a it's I don't know how to explain it really, but it's a more of a it's more of an assassin, a guy that that travels as a coach but kills people, and what strengths are at play while he's doing it, and other strengths that he's using and dealing with other people. And so it's a big work of fiction. And when you say a book of aliases.

Mary Hamm (53:02.402)
What?

Jon Grizzle (53:04.239)
Interesting.

Mary Hamm (53:12.984)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (53:17.282)
The one of the things that stopped me writing it you know, about chapter eight was I kept putting just one name in that didn't really fit. It didn't resonate with me. And I didn't have a good name. Like I just couldn't keep right. I wanted to I wanted to settle on a name for this character and then stick with it. And so now I'm thinking I gotta go to Amazon and get your book of aliases because there has to be a couple of great names in there where I can just pull one out and say that's the character's name.

Jon Grizzle (53:39.929)
There you go. Yeah. There's

Mary Hamm (53:39.939)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (53:44.601)
I mean, they're pretty hilarious, so watch out.

Bill Dippel (53:48.365)
Hmm. I am worried. I am worried. So so Jonathan, can you tell us just a minute more about Bridge and what it is? I'm curious. You it sounds like you work with adults, you work with kids. Is there a larger spectrum that you guys is it all about learning and play? Or you know, just give us a quick brush about what bridge is and and how you how you fit into it.

Jon Grizzle (53:49.657)
Yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (53:50.083)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (54:14.105)
Sure. So the organization has actually been around since nineteen twenty two. It started as a women's episcopal ministry, and then changed to youth services back, you know, f I I think it was fifties or sixties, and then became bridges in the nineties.

Mary Hamm (54:20.116)
wow.

Jon Grizzle (54:31.853)
The program that I mentioned that we're most widely known for now is called Bridge Builders. That started in the eighties with two schools. It was Northside High and Briar Crest High schools where the students wouldn't spend any time with each other. Did a week of team building activities, you know, twenty students from each school and it formed some lasting relationships. The program's grown and now we serve seventh through twelfth grade and the focus is on leadership diversity and community action. And so that

We we moved to our current facility in two thousand seven and it was built with experiential education in mind. There's a a high ropes course, a rock climbing wall indoors, and it's it's all about that experiential learning, learning by doing. And it's both for the for the youth and adults. The the team bridges is is my department. We do a lot with the corporate nonprofit educators,

doing those same same types of of challenges but just relating it to the workforce as opposed to school. and and yeah, so that's there's that. We've also recently started the Youth Action Center, which is a kind of a it's on the other side of our building, but it's meant to be a hub for youth and adults to collaborate and do some deeper social work. So there's a lot happening over

Mary Hamm (55:52.825)
Do you call it the yak?

Jon Grizzle (55:55.433)
yes, we do internally.

Mary Hamm (55:56.462)
You do call it the yak. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (55:59.095)
Yak. The yak. do you travel or does everybody come to your event space to do this?

Jon Grizzle (56:05.665)
I for the most part I mean we do. We do travel. we it's mostly kind of in the the Memphis mid south area. but but yeah, we do off site events. I am the director of Team Bridges.

Mary Hamm (56:15.971)
What's your role there, did you say?

Mary Hamm (56:20.761)
Okay. Okay. And Bill, they are very well respected in the Memphis area. People know bridges. It's not a a hidden nonprofit type of thing. Are you a non profit? Did you say that? Yeah. Okay.

Bill Dippel (56:22.254)
Got it. Got it. Sounds like a fascinating job. Sound something you love.

Jon Grizzle (56:28.15)
It is.

Jon Grizzle (56:36.909)
We are. Yeah, we are kinda like a hidden gym in Memphis though because a lot of people they've heard the name Bridges or Bridge Builders, but they don't know that we do team building for adults. And so it's it is kind of a hidden hidden gym in that way. But a a lot of people are familiar with the organization locally, yeah.

Mary Hamm (56:43.117)
Bridges, yeah.

Mary Hamm (56:48.226)
Mary Hamm (56:51.576)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (56:54.414)
So if Mary ever invites me to Memphis then I can come over to Bridges and and hang out with you. So

Mary Hamm (57:00.185)
I feel at this point it would be John inviting you to Memphis, but whatever. It's fine.

Jon Grizzle (57:00.439)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, let's do that.

Bill Dippel (57:04.194)
Well I didn't wanna John, I didn't wanna tell her we've already set this up, but

Jon Grizzle (57:09.825)
Yeah, yeah, it's it's cool. And and she doesn't know that I'll be at the next Moto Goosey event either. but it's yeah.

Bill Dippel (57:14.686)
Exactly. John Bottomoto Goozi, he's coming to the next event here in, you know, Nevada. we've

Mary Hamm (57:14.713)
My goodness.

Mary Hamm (57:20.151)
Does Sarah know? Hm.

Jon Grizzle (57:20.847)
I do have a motor scooter. it would not make it all the way out there. Although it gets up to, you know, supposedly eighty and I wouldn't wouldn't take it all all the way out west.

Bill Dippel (57:32.377)
Got it. Got it. Well, John, Sarah Sarah is she does not know, but John is hoping that Sarah takes Mary to the spa for the days John and I are hanging out. I think they're hoping they're gonna get out, have some fun, spa days. So I'm hoping that yeah. I love it. It it does. Well, John, thank you very much for coming on and talking about some of the some of the places where your top five have kind of tripped you up. Both

Jon Grizzle (57:43.597)
Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's as one does.

Mary Hamm (57:49.337)
That sound that sounds like something we would do for sure.

Bill Dippel (58:02.114)
from a kid's and an adult's point of view and showing us your true your true self, the Schadenfreud at seeing the failure of others is really making you happy. I find that pretty fascinating, as a as a strengths coach, but

Mary Hamm (58:16.387)
Also nice nice use of the word Schrodenfreud, right? Is that how you say it? Schrodenfreud? Yeah, yeah. Do you know what that means, John?

Bill Dippel (58:20.416)
Schadenfreud? Yeah. It's yeah, taking taking joy in other people's misery, I believe is the breakdown of that one. So right, right. I'm thinking of another instance where Schoddenfreud has come up today. it might be John and I picking on Mary and just watching the the entire the entire meltdown.

Mary Hamm (58:27.075)
Yeah.

Jon Grizzle (58:30.115)
Yeah. Gotta use that positivity to think past the you know, the darkness of it.

Mary Hamm (58:30.211)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (58:33.793)
Asked it What can they learn?

Jon Grizzle (58:41.903)
Heyhap so.

Mary Hamm (58:43.67)
my goodness. I'm gonna be crying after this episode.

Jon Grizzle (58:49.403)
Ha

Bill Dippel (58:51.672)
John, you don't realize I'm gonna be on a forty five minute phone call trying to get this straightened out. It's just gonna go bad. So

Jon Grizzle (58:55.348)
It's alright. I'll s I'll send Sarah over to take her out to the spa for this.

Bill Dippel (58:59.858)
Now you're talking. Now now you got it. So awesome. Yeah. Well, John, thank you very much. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for spending the time with us. Thank you for explaining bridges, giving us some ideas around reality and and how strengths may have misplayed that part. we love hearing it from all of our people that come on because it really gives us a view into the things we don't always experience, right? And hearing it is a little bit like you putting them in the lab in your lab and letting them try their experiments because

Mary Hamm (59:01.963)
Okay, I'm waiting. yes, thank you.

Jon Grizzle (59:04.247)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (59:29.696)
When we get to hear about the failures, it makes us better coaches and we get to understand more about the people we work with. So thank you very, very much for that.

Mary Hamm (59:35.789)
Yeah. John, if someone wanted to get if someone wanted to learn more about bridges or the work that you do, how would they get in touch with you?

Jon Grizzle (59:37.165)
Yeah, thank you. I've enjoyed my time with you.

Jon Grizzle (59:45.424)
you could go to teambridges.org to to do if you're interested in team building or just bridgesusa dot org to learn about the organization as a whole. Or you could email me at jgrizzle at bridgesusa dot org and I can respond.

Bill Dippel (59:55.606)
Excellent. And

Bill Dippel (01:00:02.478)
Perfect.

Mary Hamm (01:00:02.509)
You should just email him anyway, guys, and say, Hey, be nicer to Mary. Email Bill while you're at it.

Jon Grizzle (01:00:07.299)
You you could do that. I'd like to change that email and it is Mary Ham Coaching at

Bill Dippel (01:00:09.298)
I I think we're about Yeah. We're about to we're about to get a flood of email that's like you guys, you know, you w took it too easy on Mary today. She

Jon Grizzle (01:00:21.037)
Ha ha

Mary Hamm (01:00:21.763)
Wow. Ouch. my goodness, guys.

Jon Grizzle (01:00:24.547)
Ha.

Bill Dippel (01:00:25.656)
So good. So good having a compadre on the show today, John. It makes me feel good. So awesome. All right. Well, thank you, John. Thanks again. thank you to our arsonists. Thank you for everybody listening, coming on, having fun with us today. John, we will continue our our knowledge and learning together. You and I will get together, do some goosey writing and laugh. And while we're doing that, Mary can just just hang out or, you know, find find a new find a new place to get angry.

Jon Grizzle (01:00:30.132)
glad I could glad I could be here.

Jon Grizzle (01:00:47.886)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:00:51.939)
Cry.

Jon Grizzle (01:00:53.123)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (01:00:54.745)
Actually, find new friends. It's fine, guys. It's totally fine. I'll start a new podcast. It's fine. Strength's on fire more.

Jon Grizzle (01:00:57.741)
No no, no no, it's good, it's good.

Bill Dippel (01:00:58.178)
Just see, now suddenly it's okay. No, I think we've just pushed her to the edge. That's all, John. And with that, we love you all. Thank you to our arsonists, and we will talk soon.

Jon Grizzle (01:01:02.851)
Ha ha ha.

Jon Grizzle (01:01:07.117)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:01:13.081)
Bye guys.

Jon Grizzle (01:01:14.66)
Thanks. Later.