Strengths On Fire

Bill Dippel (00:02.35)
good morning. Good morning from Reno, Nevada. I I'm gonna throw out Reno because you're a you're a Memphis girl, Mary, right? So yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, I'm gonna represent the West Coast today on the on the podcast. And a as is my guest today, we're gonna do yeah, I know, right? We're we're gonna do a little West Coast today. So

Mary Hamm (00:12.434)
I am, yes, yes, I am in Memphis.

Mary Hamm (00:19.765)
That's yeah.

Carrie (00:20.951)
Yeah. Me too. West Coast.

Mary Hamm (00:22.998)
Well and and r in reality I'm from the east coast 'cause I'm from the Philly side of Pennsylvania. So, you know, we could do east versus west today.

Bill Dippel (00:31.072)
Hmm. Hey Bright, you're on the podcast again. There you go. So my neighbor walking by, he knows what I'm on and walks his dogs and he tries to get my attention. So now the good news is now we have a listener because he's gonna listen for when he was on the podcast. So he's gonna, you know, we're gonna add one more today. So see, I'll do anything to get more listeners. We bring them on.

Mary Hamm (00:35.2)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (00:50.858)
Wow.

Mary Hamm (00:56.022)
My goodness.

Bill Dippel (00:57.1)
I'll put a sign on the truck, we'll make it happen. So, no, actually, we're I really fortunate to have the arsonists we do and the listeners we have. The listenership's been really good. So, but part of that reason is we have some formatting here. And Mary, part of that formatting is we tend to ask each other questions. You ready? I'm gonna ask you a question today. I am really curious if you could take one of your bottom five strengths and make it.

Mary Hamm (01:13.841)
Right. I am so ready. Okay. All right.

Bill Dippel (01:25.74)
Make it the one that you wish you had. Which one would it be?

Mary Hamm (01:30.086)
Ooh, okay. So I know what I would not choose. I think it would be harmony. Is harmony one of my lower ones? You have my report right there. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be harmony. I think that's such a sweet superpower that people have. And the people that I know that have harmony are always like really kind people.

Bill Dippel (01:34.807)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (01:39.598)
Ooh, it is. Harmony's number thirty for you.

Bill Dippel (01:56.63)
Mm.

Mary Hamm (01:56.926)
I don't know. I think that that would be fun to to harness. And yeah. Harmony. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'd go with that. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (02:00.855)
To have to have a full blown harmony in it ready. Yeah. Hmm. I like it. Harmony. Okay. And if you had harmony going, what would be the first thing you'd do with it? Like, i are you

Mary Hamm (02:11.197)
Mm.

I would walk into a space and then just my very presence in that space would create like this feel, you know? So and I tend to do the opposite when I walk into a space. It's like So

Bill Dippel (02:20.919)
Ha ha ha

Bill Dippel (02:27.625)
Right, right. I will tell you, harmony's high for me. It's number seven. I'm not certain walking into a space and ha is exactly how it works for me. But I do love the I do love the take on it. That's that's pretty darn good. for me, I would say if I could ramp one up, it would probably be significance. And yeah, and I only say that because it's really low for me. It's number thirty three, it's way at the bottom.

Mary Hamm (02:33.487)
Mary Hamm (02:51.55)
Really?

Mary Hamm (02:57.886)
Okay.

Bill Dippel (02:58.217)
and I love working with my high significance people, right? Having some clarity around you know, I I don't want to say significance sometimes feels like a lack of of FOMO or a lack of crystal clarity around what I'm done or what I'm doing. But many of the significance people I work with tend to have that, or you know, they're they're pretty comfortable in their skin and what exactly what they're doing.

Mary Hamm (03:19.178)
Right.

Bill Dippel (03:27.615)
So I not that I am not comfortable often, but there are definitely times where I wish my significance might have been higher and it could have carried me through that moment. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Just just I just made that one up on the fly, just saying I, you know, gosh, no. I haven't no e like listen.

Mary Hamm (03:27.635)
Right.

Mary Hamm (03:39.197)
Right, right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, good question. Okay. Yeah.

So that was not an AI one? That's shocking. Okay. All right.

Bill Dippel (03:54.254)
I'll come up with six more right now, and they'll be crazy. They will not be good. I can't prove it. I can't prove it because I have a guest today that I am ultra, ultra proud of. Somebody I have had on. We have had on before, which we're gonna explain in a minute while how that's gonna work. We've had this guest on in I believe season two, super happy.

Mary Hamm (03:56.182)
Prove it. Let's go.

Mary Hamm (04:04.549)
right. Yeah.

Yeah.

Carrie (04:08.366)
Bill Dippel (04:20.705)
To have her back. She's a she's become a really good friend of mine. she's become someone I've worked with both professionally, but also we meet personally pretty frequently, get together and compare notes and talk about how our lives are going and where we go and how we can help each other and be there for each other. So I am always really, really happy when I'm surrounded and I'm having a Carrie Chandler day. So Carrie, thank you for coming to the show.

Mary Hamm (04:46.653)
No.

Carrie (04:49.49)
Good morning. Hello. Yes, I'm I am so excited to be here. And Bill, you're just an amazing friend. I appreciate it. And a great mentor too. Really appreciate that.

Bill Dippel (04:51.638)
Hello.

Bill Dippel (04:59.185)
Ooh, yeah. I I'm gonna wear that badge proudly 'cause I as a yeah, as a dev as go ahead. Go ahead, I'm ready. Sure.

Mary Hamm (05:01.514)
That's s some high honor there.

Carrie (05:03.628)
Yeah. Well and well, I was just gonna say it leans right into that significance that you're looking for. I'm giving I'm handing it to you, my friend.

Bill Dippel (05:12.14)
Yeah.

Y Yes, yes. Although for me the mentorship falls f for developer for me. Developers number two and I I absolutely live for the developer side. So the you you fuel that developer in me when you mention good mentorship. So thank you for that. That's and I would while it's number two for me, I'd say it's the theme that absolutely speaks to me the most, the one that I feel the most, the one that I gravitate to.

Mary Hamm (05:16.768)
There you go.

Mary Hamm (05:32.64)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (05:42.637)
too. So thank you for the mentorship comment. I same to you. I learned so much when you and I are together and talking about your life and what you're doing that I feel my my my clients and friends are absolute mentors to me all the time. And professionally you've been really good to help me through a couple of things too. So thank you for that. It's been really, really good. So however today we're gonna do something a little different and

As I mentioned, usually at this point we have our guest talk about their top ten, come out and give all of our listeners the ability to hear what they're well yeah, she could do that. You know, Carrie, you wanna you wanna tell us your No, not gonna happen. So so today's lab experiment, we're going into blind strength. So we allow our guests to pick.

Mary Hamm (06:21.814)
She can do that. Don't you think that she could just do that for me?

Carrie (06:28.054)
Not no not happening, Mary.

Mary Hamm (06:29.59)
man, come on.

Bill Dippel (06:39.521)
Carrie chose the challenge of having us guess her strengths. Now, Carrie's been on the show before, which means I have her report somewhere on my computer. And I've promised Mary, I've promised Carrie, I do not have not looked at it. We haven't listened to the old episode. So for those arsonists that listen to us frequently, I have no context, which means I I'm lucky to remember Carrie's name, let alone

Mary Hamm (06:49.813)
Right.

Bill Dippel (07:08.845)
what her strengths are? Yes. When we see each other we're all in. It's just the the name and the the labeling I don't get straight. So I Carrie, you have not sent your strengths assessment to either Mary or myself, is that correct?

Mary Hamm (07:09.078)
He's not even lying.

Carrie (07:11.128)
But we're really good friends. We're really good friends.

Mary Hamm (07:16.778)
Huh.

Carrie (07:26.508)
That is absolutely correct.

Bill Dippel (07:28.341)
All right. So we're gonna we're gonna jump in and we're gonna we're gonna try and figure that out. You wanna Mary, you wanna start with a question? Carrie, you wanna hit us with a with a an example of something? How do you wanna Mary I think Mary's ready. Look at her.

Mary Hamm (07:38.134)
I I I'm just gonna go ahead and and ask Carrie just start us out, just tell us a story. Any story. Whatever you wanna share.

Carrie (07:51.087)
Okay, well, I am an HR professional. and when I started a new job one time, you know, HR often has a very negative reaction for people, especially a new person coming into an organization. So I was new to an organization and I decided to go around the organization with a big

bucket of red vines and introduce myself as the new HR leader of the organization.

Mary Hamm (08:25.29)
That's amazing. Okay, continue.

Carrie (08:29.902)
so that was, you know, obviously received in multiple ways. Some people in disbelief, some people kind of excited, some people stunned, you know. But that was that's the one's one story. Do you have an do you want me to give you another one?

Mary Hamm (08:47.018)
Okay, perfect. So when you no no no when you went around with a bucket of red vines, also great choice. although I am a Twizzler person over red vine, but that may just be East Coast, West Coast type of language there. it did everybody accept you when you were doing that? And if so, or if if they didn't, how did you respond to that?

Carrie (08:57.582)
I'm sorry. yeah.

Bill Dippel (08:58.26)
Yeah.

Carrie (09:13.77)
Mm, good question. like I said, some people were a little bit re much more reserved and some peop some people were much more accepting. And let's see, how did I respond? well, obviously the people that were receptive, I probably talked to for a I did talk to for a longer period of time.

Mary Hamm (09:39.446)
Uh-huh.

Carrie (09:43.146)
and engage them longer and the other people I probably tried to say something kind and then move along.

Bill Dippel (09:54.613)
Hmm. All right. Hmm. I have a question for you. What drives you crazy about the way other people work?

Mary Hamm (09:54.77)
Okay, okay, all right.

Carrie (10:08.75)
when people work in silos and don't collaborate, that drives me bananas because they have tunnel vision and they're not thinking about the entire picture. and who might be an important stakeholder in the work that they're doing.

Mary Hamm (10:16.307)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (10:35.51)
Mm, mm, mm mm. So good. I can't stand silos either. it's it's drives me crazy as well. Go ahead.

Carrie (10:41.016)
Carrie (10:48.096)
Well, I was gonna say, well, and also I mean, another thing that drives me crazy is just people who are, you know, they don't they won't talk to you personally about things and they will back channel and have gossip and that drives me crazy.

Bill Dippel (11:12.566)
Gotcha. All right. So the silo, the back channels, the being in a click drives you a little nuts, right? other people being clickish.

Carrie (11:22.603)
I yes, yeah, I yeah.

Mary Hamm (11:27.23)
Okay. Okay. okay, I have a question. Okay, go ahead. Okay, okay. So tell me something that comes really easily for you that might come harder for other people.

Carrie (11:29.943)
I I don't

No, go ahead. Keep going.

Carrie (11:43.495)
well one thing that comes easily for me is leaning into conflict and difficult conversations. I can actually approach people and just try to put it out on the table and get curious and try to understand what is happening, especially if I'm sensing that something is off. I will.

Try to just go straight into that conversation and get curious and try to resolve the situation.

Bill Dippel (12:21.888)
When there's some grit over having leading into a hard discussion and you're you know, there's there's some animosity coming at you because this is a difficult discussion with somebody, how do you take that? Is that a how how do you take that personally? Is that a problem? Is it does it really affect you? Is it something that you really easily navigate around?

Carrie (12:36.142)
Mm-hmm.

Carrie (12:48.285)
if they're coming at me aggress like a kind of confrontationally and aggressively instead of kind of that adult to adult type of scenario, is that what you're saying?

Mary Hamm (12:56.427)
Like in a defensive type of way. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (12:57.846)
Sure. Let's let's go there. Sure.

Carrie (12:59.636)
Yeah, yeah. I would say I try to de-escalate the situation. internally my anxiety is rising. I'm sh you know, I I I don't so it's I can lean into conflict, but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily something that, you know, if it's not going well, I particularly like. and I

Bill Dippel (13:06.102)
Mm-hmm.

Carrie (13:28.074)
I will find myself sometimes falling on a sword I didn't sharpen.

Bill Dippel (13:34.742)
Got it. Okay. Hmm.

Mary Hamm (13:36.363)
What's your motivation for

Carrie (13:36.372)
Which then then then I well then I regret that, right? I'm like, why why did I fall on that sword? It wasn't mine to sharpen or it was you know, I didn't sharpen that sword. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (13:48.192)
Right, right, right.

Mary Hamm (13:51.892)
what's your motivation for de-escalating or resolving conflict or problem solving, whatever it might be? What's the motivation behind that?

Carrie (14:01.292)
Restore the relationship.

Yeah. I I I genuinely have a a you know a a passion for having healthy relationships both in and outside of work. And so I will tend to, you know, try to resolve things really quickly.

Bill Dippel (14:07.179)
Got it. Huh. Restore the relationship. Interesting.

Mary Hamm (14:14.273)
Mm.

Mary Hamm (14:22.487)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (14:28.959)
Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (14:29.355)
Gotcha. Gotcha. Excellent. All right. can you tell me what role do you naturally end up playing on a team even when nobody assigns you that role? Like what's the role that feels natural that you just take on or take over right when you're on the team?

Carrie (14:31.446)
Yeah.

Carrie (14:49.646)
I am the the dr like I would say the enthusiastic driver and the person who asks a lot of questions and will call things out.

Mary Hamm (15:06.463)
Like call problems out, call conflict out still? Okay.

Carrie (15:06.475)
If p

So, you know, if if I see some people that are kind of skirting around things, I'll just say, you know, look, let's just put this out on the table. Like I could see this is happening, I could see that's happening. let's let's let's just talk this through. So that's kind of that leaning into difficult conversation. But I also get I ask a lot of questions. I need to

understand things and the why behind things and I need to not just take things at at face value.

Bill Dippel (15:52.467)
Interesting.

Mary Hamm (15:52.919)
What was your favorite thing to do as a kid?

Carrie (15:56.815)
Hmm. What well, I guess it would be probably, I mean, I spent a lot of time with friends, like as a lot of kids do. my favorite thing to do as a kid. Gosh, that was Mary, that was so long ago.

Mary Hamm (16:15.479)
Do remember what you would do with your friend?

I know, I know, the therapist and me really hung out just then. Tell me about your childhood. Swimming. Okay.

Carrie (16:22.286)
yeah. Swimming. I I mean s yeah. Tell me about swi yes. We did a lot of swimming and I loved to go to the beach.

Bill Dippel (16:23.957)
She was there for it, yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (16:33.249)
Like s s swimming for fun or competitive swimming or fun. Okay. So like getting a pool playing micropolo and sharks and minnows and handstands and tea parties underwater, that kind of thing. Okay.

Carrie (16:38.296)
F fun. Lots of fun. Yeah. I just

E yes. Yes. Yes. yeah. And when I was really l young, you know, hot lava monster, you know, that kind of thing. Is that even is that even a thing nowadays? I don't think that that's that's like really dating me. Well, either

Mary Hamm (16:53.239)
Nice. All the good things.

Mary Hamm (16:59.253)
I think it's a West Coast thing.

Bill Dippel (17:01.579)
No. there it is. There she's hitting the west coast, you know, east coast thing. can you call your s what are you? East, mid, I I

Mary Hamm (17:03.797)
Ha ha.

Carrie (17:04.898)
Ha ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (17:09.481)
Say well, I would say because of my upbringing I'm an East Coast kid, but you know, I don't know what I am now. I'm misplaced East Coaster.

Bill Dippel (17:15.017)
Hmm. Hmm. I I am misplaced. I'm in

Carrie (17:18.946)
You're in the land of misfit toys.

Mary Hamm (17:21.643)
Yes, basically. And it's really hot here.

Bill Dippel (17:21.749)
Yeah.

It's hot, sticky. She's unhappy about it. I I get it. so I I'm curious. So Carrie, you had a great day at work, right? Just t that day, this day you had a great day at work. Why? What made you feel like it was a great day at work? When you have that great day, what has happened?

Carrie (17:24.987)
Ha.

Mary Hamm (17:31.593)
Okay, so swimming.

Carrie (17:47.214)
Hm, we have

I well, I certainly haven't been sitting behind my computer doing emails all day, that's for sure. That would be an that's an awful day. a great day is when I am interacting with others and collaborating and solving problems and even maybe coming up with some exciting ideas for things that we can do.

Mary Hamm (17:59.01)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (17:59.765)
Mm-hmm.

Carrie (18:22.594)
that might move the organization forward in a positive way to benefit the people, not just the process. Right? Like, you know, I mean, sitting around collaborating on job aids, that okay, that would be all right. Cause I'm, you know, with and like working through a solution with other people and trying to better

Bill Dippel (18:32.619)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (18:41.95)
Right.

Carrie (18:51.122)
our departments or organizations or become more efficient in the way that we work. But yeah, I I would and and yep, that's that's probably good.

Mary Hamm (18:57.611)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (19:02.421)
Got it. Yep. Got it. No, I like it. So and forgive my silence. I'm I'm taking feverish notes. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Go, Mary. I'm ready.

Mary Hamm (19:06.071)
That's probably good.

Mary Hamm (19:10.889)
Right, me too, yeah. Okay, so when you are at work, are you more interested in creating healthy deep relationships or getting things done?

Carrie (19:12.791)
Yeah.

Carrie (19:28.718)
healthy deep relationships.

Mary Hamm (19:32.215)
Okay. That was easy. Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (19:32.383)
Hm. Well that was easy. I mean she jumped right into that, right? it's like mm.

Carrie (19:34.339)
That yeah, yeah. I I mean I obviously want to get things done, but I am very much a relationship person and I lean, I do lean on other people who are very task driven, who like to move those day-to-day things forward. I still can do it, don't get me wrong, and I still have to do it.

Mary Hamm (20:01.868)
Right. Mm-hmm. Right.

Carrie (20:02.07)
but you're a you're asking me what I would like like to do versus not and I would

Mary Hamm (20:07.884)
So how do you get those things done then?

Carrie (20:11.978)
I have to just put those, I have to block time. I have to stay focused and make sure that I am getting those things across the finish line, calendaring them, having reminders, making yeah, because it is important to move your your work forward. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (20:29.272)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (20:36.596)
Right, right. You have to get some things done, right? Yeah, yeah.

Carrie (20:39.83)
Yeah. And yeah, de I definitely do that. You know, I don't mean to imply that I don't, but my passion is really helping the the people within the organization so that they can better themselves and come up and to work and be the best versions of themselves. So the best the best way to do that is to deepen the relationship, especially when you're HR, because you are not trusted out of the gate at all.

Mary Hamm (20:43.69)
Right.

Mary Hamm (20:59.595)
Okay.

Carrie (21:07.34)
You are it's just no, you're seen as the police person. And so that's probably why I went to it so quick is because it's so hard for me to do in my role.

Mary Hamm (21:07.607)
No.

Mary Hamm (21:20.024)
Okay, okay.

Bill Dippel (21:21.678)
Interesting. So it's funny how how often when I'm looking at this now I'm highlighting things that are low as well as high. Right, Mary? like taking the taking it writing.

Mary Hamm (21:23.415)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (21:29.772)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well it could s th you know, you're able to like cross things off the list, like, okay, it's not that. Okay, when you're I'm gonna just monopolize these questions here, Bill. So when you're in the flow and like you look up and it's you know, you started something that morning, you look up and you realize like I haven't even eaten or stopped to do anything, what is it that you're doing? Also, that's my dog snoring, if you can hear her. I'm so sorry.

Bill Dippel (21:37.404)
Yeah, definitely not there. So

Carrie (21:37.974)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (21:42.537)
Do it.

Bill Dippel (21:58.027)
That was impressive. I was gonna say did somebody's did somebody's stomach rumble? What just happened?

Mary Hamm (21:59.638)
Ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (22:03.884)
I w I warned you ahead of time. Like I sit right next to her kennel here and she just sleeps in there all the time. So and she's so loud.

Carrie (22:08.174)
Ha my gosh. That's that's hilarious. Okay, so

Bill Dippel (22:09.284)
is that is epically good. All right. All right, Carrie. You're in the flow. What ha what's going on?

Carrie (22:16.714)
I am in the flow. and what is going on? I gosh, I'm probably having a really good like employee relations conversation and solving a an important problem for somebody. that that would be my favorite state of flow.

I do like to get creative and do work on, you know, putting together different trainings or things that I can move forward that would help people improve their sorry, I'm laughing in the dog.

Bill Dippel (23:04.262)
It's amazing. That it is amazing, isn't it? that that snoring.

Mary Hamm (23:05.645)
So sorry. I've gonna throw something at her.

Mary Hamm (23:12.28)
She she did not like that. Okay.

Carrie (23:12.622)
so awesome. So yeah. Well and last time I will say it was funny because the cat walked across my screen.

Bill Dippel (23:17.642)
So good. Welcome welcome to Strengths on Fire, the podcast that is genuine and real. We have two.

Bill Dippel (23:31.815)
One of my cats attacked Carrie that day. It was it was great. Y'all, it was so good. okay, so the flow for you is about really working on something hard for somebody, making sure other people are getting developed. Just throwing that out there, right? So, okay. I like it. I like it. Very nice. All right. Carrie, I gave you an entire free day, no obligations. You have nothing to do today.

Mary Hamm (23:34.664)
my goodness.

Carrie (23:37.538)
Mm.

Carrie (23:46.124)
Yeah. Yes.

Mary Hamm (23:49.004)
Ha ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (24:01.426)
Right. What do you naturally find yourself doing?

Carrie (24:07.638)
going to okay okay, well, are there people around or are there not people around? Right? Yeah. Okay, okay. Well, I think I've talked enough about the people side. So let's say there's no people around, right? Okay, so there's no people around. I am by myself. I am doing things that are growth oriented.

Bill Dippel (24:15.162)
This is a wide open question. You tell us. Are there people or aren't there?

Mary Hamm (24:16.768)
Up to you.

Bill Dippel (24:24.435)
Okay.

Carrie (24:35.482)
I would be trying to better my goals and my direction and my vision for things. I would be I not sitting idle. to I don't typically sit idle of a lot of energy and I'm very like I'm not gonna say certain words because I'm not gonna tip you off. I'm gonna hold back. I am like really trying to hold back.

Bill Dippel (24:59.956)
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Mary Hamm (25:01.132)
Ha ha ha.

Wait a second. right? Right. Yep.

Bill Dippel (25:05.94)
She's looking at her thirty four report going, Don't say that, don't say that, don't say that.

Carrie (25:06.008)
Mm.

Well, if I I like if I say this word, you're gonna be like, got it. but so so yeah, just very growth minded. Yeah, no, not gonna have yeah. That that's so funny. So yeah. I don't I don't like I love listening to nonfiction audiobooks or watching videos where I can like learn from other people.

Bill Dippel (25:13.95)
Mm mm, mm.

Mary Hamm (25:16.546)
Just throw it in the chat for me.

Bill Dippel (25:18.986)
Throw it in and just her. That way she gets a full yeah, that way I I don't know. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (25:23.916)
Carrie (25:38.19)
And yeah.

Mary Hamm (25:39.532)
Like historical fiction.

Carrie (25:42.499)
like I do I do I do I do like yeah I know I know where she's going on that one. yeah. I do like historical fiction and my husband really likes that kind of stuff a lot. So that's where we find common ground and we will watch things in that way. but it's more like thought leadership and yeah.

Mary Hamm (25:43.512)
Do you like h any type of history?

Bill Dippel (25:47.27)
Wow.

Bill Dippel (25:52.19)
Yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (26:12.236)
When you get into a conversation with somebody, do you tend to like go deep in the context of the and not context in the strengths based way of context, but like in in like you want real meat in the conversation, you want it to go somewhere deep, you want to really bounce thoughts back and forth about a subject.

Carrie (26:24.472)
Mm-hmm.

Carrie (26:35.198)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that would be my preference. I mean, it it doesn't always happen. Not ever I it sometimes it's hard to find people that are really super growth oriented. And then you feel like you're kinda that it's not necessarily received. But yeah, if I had my cho if I had my choice, I'd be, yeah, let's let's really dig into a topic. Let me l let me learn from you. Let me find out what's happening. Let

Mary Hamm (26:39.521)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (26:53.474)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (26:59.319)
Right.

Carrie (27:04.267)
Like, yeah.

Bill Dippel (27:05.905)
Awesome. All right. we spent a day together. We're doing some stuff. I compliment you on what we did. Similar to the beginning of the episode today. What compliment means the most to you? Like in what way can I compliment you that that really resonates with you? How does what would that look like for you? Is it, for instance, is it the importance of what we've done together? is it the idea that we did something together and we won?

Mary Hamm (27:06.06)
Mm mm.

Mary Hamm (27:14.039)
Yeah.

Carrie (27:25.143)
Mm.

Bill Dippel (27:35.367)
Right. It was a something that we that we took on and and won at. is it that we were productive all day? Is it that we worked with a team and moved them? I mean, what if I'm gonna compliment you on that day, what's what is it that would really make the biggest difference for you?

Carrie (27:42.446)
Mm.

Carrie (27:52.719)
that we made a contribution, that we made progress on a contribution that would impact the lives of other people. Like

Bill Dippel (28:04.841)
Okay. Got it.

Mary Hamm (28:07.651)
Ooh, okay.

Carrie (28:09.198)
Mary Mary's like thinking this all through. She her is her the wheels are turning.

Bill Dippel (28:10.227)
No, see.

Mary's

Mary Hamm (28:16.344)
They are

Bill Dippel (28:16.539)
Right. Mary's Mary's putting it together. She's she's gonna she's gonna rock this. I just know it.

Mary Hamm (28:23.154)
Either that or I'm gonna be completely wrong and you'll be like, Well, how are you even a coach?

Bill Dippel (28:27.045)
Which again, I think it's great for our arsonists to see, even as trained coaches with many years of doing this, strength spotting is a difficult process. Like if I was hiring you, Carrie, for a job, right, I might lead some of these questions in prior to having you take the assessment, because we don't hire using this assessment. But it would be great for me to maybe throw some of these in so that I had an idea. and I hope our arsonists are picking up as well.

Mary Hamm (28:33.24)
Right.

Very difficult. Yeah.

Carrie (28:45.144)
Mm-hmm. Correct.

Mary Hamm (28:47.257)
Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (28:56.465)
Some of these are fantastic questions to ask just during an opening interview, right? If you're interviewing somebody you're talking to not only understand strengths, but understand how they operate. If you wanna stick with the standard, tell me something you you know, tell me something you did great, tell me something you did wrong, you're gonna get a common reaction from people that are used to those questions. But if you really wanna find out some some depth about people, some of these questions are an easy way to build that. So

Carrie (29:00.992)
Yeah. yeah.

Mary Hamm (29:26.253)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, tell me, Carrie. Yeah. Tell me, what's the best thing you were asked to do this week?

Bill Dippel (29:27.047)
Yeah. So Mary a go, ask it.

Carrie (29:37.462)
I got to host our our chief human resource officer came to town and I got to we don't I mean he doesn't come to town very I've never had him on site and so I was able to spend time introducing him to our people and

got to spend time getting to learn from him, talk to him, and getting, you know, him an understanding of our environment. That was really fun. That was a good day.

Mary Hamm (30:22.147)
Okay. That that sounds fun, yeah. What's the worst thing you were asked to do this week?

Bill Dippel (30:27.859)
Oof. There's a good question.

Mary Hamm (30:31.02)
Thanks.

Bill Dippel (30:32.125)
Be on this podcast? Was that the

Carrie (30:32.492)
Hmm. No, no.

Mary Hamm (30:33.593)
wow.

Carrie (30:39.598)
it's it's not that I was asked to do it, it's that I needed to do it. It's just i you know, keeping up with the amount of emails that come in. It's like ki do we have to email so much? We don't. Yeah, we don't. I wish people would just pick up the phone. And I find that a lot of time I I I prefer it when people don't use email as a chat box box and

Mary Hamm (30:50.84)
Mm.

No. No, the answer's no.

Bill Dippel (30:54.887)
No, we do not.

Carrie (31:09.354)
So that it it's just the that my mundane the the mundane

Mary Hamm (31:15.298)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (31:18.441)
Mm. Mm. Interesting.

Mary Hamm (31:18.605)
Yeah. You don't like the mundane interesting, interesting. Okay. right. Mm-hmm.

Carrie (31:22.25)
No.

Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (31:27.753)
Got it. w what is it you think you notice about other people, that or about other people that other people tend to miss?

Carrie (31:41.47)
that like that they're not self aware about.

Bill Dippel (31:45.157)
yes. Or other people are not self aware about it. How d what do you notice? Ooh, okay.

Carrie (31:49.89)
Hypocr hiphocracy.

Carrie (31:54.413)
Hypocrisy. They have their own they have blind spots. So they're holding people to standards that they are not holding themselves to.

Bill Dippel (32:06.374)
Wow. That one just keeps coming up. Which man, it's well, there's a there's a theme for me when I keep hearing you that seems to keep coming up that I'm just curious if it's gonna be in yours because I keep hearing it and I I find it I find it pretty fascinating. So yeah.

Mary Hamm (32:07.117)
And why does

Carrie (32:11.18)
What what do you mean by that? Like in my s

Mary Hamm (32:26.423)
Yeah. Do you do any non profit work?

Carrie (32:33.314)
Yeah so I am on the board for the Society of Human Resource Management for Northern Nevada and Disrupt HR. and our bank does work with nonprofits, but currently I am not actually involved in a nonprofit outside of, you know, Sherm. I do, you know, volunteer to advance the profession of human resources. So, you know, I love

Mary Hamm (33:00.439)
Okay, uh-huh.

Carrie (33:03.778)
being a part of our local chapter.

Mary Hamm (33:07.161)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (33:10.629)
okay. So so I love that he just I know. it's like a detective work right here. So I l also love how Bill is always like, Got it. Like, no you don't.

Carrie (33:11.374)
You guys are so serious. It's awesome. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (33:21.552)
No. I don't have it. I just I'm thinking in my brain, I got it for me. I still yes, yes.

Mary Hamm (33:27.257)
Got it. Okay. Okay. no, I d I okay, so I've heard you say some things about like how you really love to like get in with people and move them forward. When you work with somebody, are you going for like excellence with them or like do you celebrate the the little smaller milestones that happen with them?

Carrie (33:50.875)
I'm definitely so celebrating the little milestones along the way. And then, you know, and the big ones, but I definitely try to recognize things that might be even overlooked for by like a a mother. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes. And I am a very I d I do find myself being a very complimentary person to other people. I try to see the good in them.

Mary Hamm (33:56.397)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (34:06.903)
Like other people might not see. Okay. Okay. All right.

Bill Dippel (34:11.944)
Got it. Hmm.

Carrie (34:20.876)
I try to you know make sure that they see the good in themselves.

Mary Hamm (34:27.383)
Ooh. Do you do you cry at puppy commercials?

Carrie (34:32.864)
Ha ha

Bill Dippel (34:38.502)
What a great question.

Carrie (34:38.83)
So

I love that question. So it's just hilarious. Well, cause w cause one, your dog is snoring in the background. And and two, I have three I have three golden retrievers who are locked out of my room right now. so and I and my son's puppy is coming tonight. So I love so anyway, puppies are like the best. I wouldn't say that I I

Bill Dippel (34:44.338)
You cry.

my god.

Mary Hamm (34:51.726)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (34:57.347)
I knew it.

Carrie (35:12.136)
I wouldn't cry necessarily. It depends on the what I mean what the what the what a commercial is. I'm usually probably just like so excited and feel so good inside. It's like the dogs give you dope, you know, that oxytocin. Yeah. yeah. So I I mean you can see it in the commercial. Like I did whoop, all of a sudden oxytocin, like, ooh, that's just so awesome. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (35:28.129)
yeah. they do, yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (35:36.025)
Ha ha ha!

Carrie (35:38.326)
I love the dog the like on when you're on Instagram and they have those amazing puppy reels. I yeah, yeah. They're the best. Yes.

Mary Hamm (35:44.856)
my goodness, they're so good. I love them. Yes, yes.

Bill Dippel (35:48.123)
Unbelievable. But such a good question. That was I could that's that question's untoppable for how on point it is. Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail. That's the hammer right there. Right. That is just that is really good. Carrie, I'm gonna hand you a project and I'm not gonna give you any instructions on how to do the project. What do you do first?

Mary Hamm (35:50.851)
Top that question, Bill.

Carrie (35:53.785)
Ha ha ha

Carrie (36:14.67)
I read the objectives of the project, like the overview, and then I think about the resources and stakeholders that need to be involved in that project and who it might be impacting.

and who needs to be involved. And then I reach out to them to see if they want to participate and be a part of the collaboration and the solving of the problems of that project. And I probably all then start digging into the resources and getting all the facts and the information and trying to peel peel back the onion of what needs to be solved.

Bill Dippel (37:16.584)
PLD.

Carrie (37:16.776)
I I Ma Mary's like thinking she's like, Mm, I don't know.

Mary Hamm (37:19.456)
Ha ha

Bill Dippel (37:22.184)
So not how I would do it. Right. Yeah. see, so I'm an activator. So if I get asked that question, I'm like, I just go. Right. There's no I'm not researching anything. I'm not, you know, whatever the project is, it's okay. I yeah. If if I need if I need to figure it out, I'll do it while I'm in the middle of it. I don't need to to define it, right? Just tell me what is the overarching. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (37:23.724)
Well

Carrie (37:26.456)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (37:38.18)
Like we're gonna figure this out on the go.

Carrie (37:50.091)
It so I I will say I don't I wouldn't be like highly structured in that. Like that that process that I just explained would move quickly and then that and then

Bill Dippel (37:59.184)
Mm-hmm. just the fact you said it that way gives me structure, right? Gives me structure, tr anxiety. I guess is the

Mary Hamm (38:05.07)
But yeah. So so those tests in school, you would actually read the whole test. It's when it says like read through this before you answer any questions, you would actually read it and then figure out at the bottom where it says like hand in the paper, you're done, instead of like people who would just like start answering the questions.

Carrie (38:27.246)
I honestly, I would probably start answering the questions and then stop myself and think, I better look to the bottom, like and make sure like I'm not missing. I would scan it. I wouldn't like read it, but I would scan but I would but I would scan I would scan it for information, make sure like, am I, you know, I yeah. It I

Mary Hamm (38:39.034)
Okay. Read it. You wanna Okay. Okay.

Mary Hamm (38:47.962)
Okay. Okay. That's that's helpful.

Bill Dippel (38:51.848)
Perfect. Perfect.

Carrie (38:53.162)
Yeah, I don't like I don't like it when they give you tests where you can't see the next question.

Bill Dippel (38:59.08)
True.

Carrie (39:00.398)
Like, yeah.

Mary Hamm (39:02.262)
Okay. All right. when you're driving to work or home from work or wherever you're going, Target, do you guys have targets on the whe s west coast? okay. All right.

Carrie (39:08.586)
Mm-hmm. Right around the corner from me.

Bill Dippel (39:13.532)
What what y you think we you think we're horse drawn carriages over here? I I mean

Mary Hamm (39:17.85)
I mean, it is the West. I see, like, yeah, those little horse, mm-hmm, the buggies.

Carrie (39:22.719)
I yeah.

Bill Dippel (39:24.304)
I what's that what's that great store you guys have that we don't have out in the West? There's a yeah it's no, we have Walmarts. I'm I'm not certain I'd call that great. There's a gosh darn it, there was a That is true. There's a chain in Texas that I see all the time and everybody says you gotta go. And I think it's East Coast or mid mid and I can't remember the name of it.

Mary Hamm (39:28.974)
Great store Walmart

Carrie (39:36.17)
Yeah. Well they do call it great value, Bill.

Mary Hamm (39:41.047)
Right. That's yeah, that's why I went there.

Carrie (39:46.511)
Bill Dippel (39:51.182)
And I've never been to one and they're like, You have to. You absolutely have to. It's you know, it's like the no, it's not the Bucky's or one of those. It's it's like a grocery store that's a and I can't remember the name of it. So all right. So I thought maybe it was in your area, Mary. So all right, sorry, go on.

Carrie (39:51.297)
Uh-huh.

Mary Hamm (39:54.467)
Is it the gas station? Okay.

Carrie (39:56.982)
No, I know it.

I know what you're talking about, but I can't think of the name either. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (40:04.823)
Interesting.

Okay. I completely forgot whatever I was gonna ask. A hundred percent it's gone. It is gone. What did we just talk about?

Carrie (40:12.396)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (40:13.699)
It's gone. All right. Well. Buckies.

Mary Hamm (40:19.276)
No with the questioning. my goodness. It's fine. Ask the next question.

Carrie (40:19.99)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (40:21.063)
Well well, let's do this. I'm gonna I'm gonna go into a rapid fire round of series of questions for you. Okay? Carrie? You ready? So just don't th overthink it. Just give me an answer. You ready? Start it or think it through?

Carrie (40:32.28)
Sure. I am. Bring it on.

Carrie (40:38.83)
Start it.

Bill Dippel (40:40.007)
Start it, okay? Win or improve.

Carrie (40:45.966)
I'm sorry, win or w imp im improve.

Bill Dippel (40:47.459)
Win or improve.

Bill Dippel (40:55.323)
Fix the problem or help the person?

Carrie (41:00.846)
Can't I stay neutral on that? Can't I just like it's like it's like well like can't like the answer is both at the same time because I'm working with the person to fix the problem.

Bill Dippel (41:01.029)
I did that question for Mary and I got the exact same response, which was

Mary Hamm (41:04.462)
I think so. I I had like a moment of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. The answer's yes.

Mary Hamm (41:14.2)
Right.

Right. How can you do one without the other, Bill? Come on.

Bill Dippel (41:20.039)
Mm.

Carrie (41:20.856)
Fix fix the problem or work with the person because usually the problem is like is w no or not that they are the person, but it involves a person, right? So so go with the so you would probably have to go to the person first and then start fixing the problem.

Bill Dippel (41:25.37)
Is the person.

Bill Dippel (41:30.577)
Ha ha.

Okay.

Bill Dippel (41:39.601)
Okay. Okay. It's I I I absolutely hear what you're saying. Just sometimes the problem and the people can be very different. I'm just I'm just seeing how you're gonna answer that. meet someone new or deepen an existing relationship.

Carrie (41:44.6)
Sorry, that wasn't rapid fire.

Yeah. Yep.

Carrie (41:57.887)
I know, don't overthink it. Don't overthink it. well, okay, I will say that I really enjoy meeting new people. So I'm gonna go with that, but I really don't want people to think I'm shallow because that the it's it's not being a shallow thing, but I thrive off of new connections. I mean, we could go to the grocery store and my husband will say, Well, you're gonna meet your new best friend today, you know, it's like

Mary Hamm (42:11.091)
Ha ha

Carrie (42:26.305)
It's very easy for me.

Mary Hamm (42:26.852)
Do you remember your new best friend's name after you meet them?

Carrie (42:31.598)
that's tough. yeah, no well. that there's there's the health professional coming out. Shit.

Bill Dippel (42:32.401)
Wow.

Mary Hamm (42:34.474)
Mm. Okay. You answered everything just then.

Yeah.

Bill Dippel (42:43.291)
We now we now know everything. Everything has been dis yes. So mm-hmm. Perfect.

Mary Hamm (42:47.556)
We know everything. Got it.

Carrie (42:50.732)
S yeah, sometimes I do. I guess it maybe depends on how long we talked and how tired I am. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (43:00.625)
Got it. keep the peace or say what needs to be said.

Carrie (43:06.104)
Say what needs to be said.

Bill Dippel (43:08.209)
Okay. Got it. gather information or make the decision?

Carrie (43:16.206)
gather information.

Bill Dippel (43:23.729)
Finish the list or chase the biggest priority.

Carrie (43:27.79)
Chase the biggest priority.

Bill Dippel (43:33.767)
Perfect what's good or build something new.

Carrie (43:36.551)
build something new, baby. It's easy.

Bill Dippel (43:41.915)
Huh, that speaks volumes towards a theme right there.

Carrie (43:45.415)
I lo I love building new like new new things, yeah.

Bill Dippel (43:53.361)
Low. All right. understand the past or imagine the future.

Carrie (43:59.144)
imagine the future. But in the context of the past.

Bill Dippel (44:04.999)
Okay. Perfect. And she used the word context while she rolled it. That's pretty good.

Mary Hamm (44:06.361)
Wow.

Carrie (44:07.63)
Well not necessarily not necessarily in not necessarily in the strengths session not necessarily in a strikes context. Like, yeah. But I

Mary Hamm (44:13.147)
I'm not buying it. I am not buying it. Nope.

Right.

Bill Dippel (44:19.045)
Right. Understood. Yeah. So I've known you a long time and I don't know the answer to this one. I some of these I would guess at. This one I'm not sure. Be recognized or be dependent upon. Okay.

Carrie (44:31.894)
dependent upon.

Bill Dippel (44:38.9)
And the last rapid fire I'm gonna ask you, create structure or keep your options open.

Carrie (44:44.018)
Options open. Definitely a change oriented person. I don't like it when people say we've done this is the way we've always done it. Or people who have that kind of mindset. It's that's just I hate I that drives me bananas.

Bill Dippel (44:58.097)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (44:58.469)
Right.

Bill Dippel (45:06.437)
Right. Got it.

Mary Hamm (45:09.827)
If you go into a space and there's a crooked a crooked picture or something, do you have this urge to fix it?

Carrie (45:18.926)
Am I are are you say asking me if I'm C DO? Cause it cause if it was O C D I'd have to put it in the right no like no. yeah. well, okay, so I would really want to fix it, but if

Bill Dippel (45:25.711)
I love it.

Mary Hamm (45:30.619)
Right, right, right, right.

Mary Hamm (45:39.194)
Uh-huh.

Carrie (45:39.976)
Depending on like who's in the room, what's going on in the environment, I may choose not to fix it. I don't have like this overwhelming compelling to fix it, but I would definitely be noticing it and thinking, I would definitely take note of it. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (45:50.938)
Okay. You wouldn't take note of it, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Bill Dippel (45:59.141)
Now if the picture was of a lovely puppy, would that change the

Carrie (46:06.158)
That's so funny.

Mary Hamm (46:06.779)
Bill Dippel (46:07.814)
Mary Hamm (46:09.701)
Do you do you enjoy watching like those fixer upper shows?

Carrie (46:14.414)
no.

Mary Hamm (46:17.157)
Okay. Alright.

Bill Dippel (46:19.174)
So I'm curious, I'm curious, Mary, because I don't know why what what were you stabbing at there? 'Cause I I like watching fixer upper shows. So tell me the thought on that one.

Carrie (46:19.413)
No, no.

Mary Hamm (46:29.305)
Well, I mean it could it could go through a whole lot of things, but I am trying to rule out restorative right now. And and so that's where the the O C D question came in. I also, you know, didn't I say I was gonna diagnose you by the end of this too? just kidding, listeners, I'm not doing that.

Bill Dippel (46:37.046)
Mm-hmm. Okay.

Carrie (46:45.186)
Yeah. Sh she's gonna she's gonna be I'm gonna reach out to Mary. She's gonna become my counselor. I n

Bill Dippel (46:45.998)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (46:53.765)
Ha ha.

Bill Dippel (46:55.994)
You know, eventually someone's gonna make money on this podcast somehow. And that's how it's gonna great. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. I love it.

Mary Hamm (46:57.179)
No.

Carrie (46:59.635)
Ein ja Ur yeah.

Mary Hamm (47:04.571)
yeah, so that's why I was asking it that question. 'Cause r restorative, like I could see somebody who's high in restorative really enjoying those fixer upper type of shows, you know. Like although they would probably be like, Hey, this is how we could do it even better.

Bill Dippel (47:13.072)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Carrie (47:13.953)
Mm.

Carrie (47:20.098)
watched them with my daughter and stuff and it's not like I hate them or anything, but I never would turn I don't tr no. I I really do not like watching television that is not that is I I like the I don't like the reality shows. I don't like game shows. I I just the stuff I feel like it's wasted time. So but

Mary Hamm (47:24.505)
You're not gonna gravitate to it.

Mary Hamm (47:40.994)
Mary Hamm (47:45.869)
If you were on the reality show, would it be different?

Carrie (47:51.03)
N I would never go on a reality show.

Mary Hamm (47:53.017)
You would never go on a reality show. My brain just exploded.

Bill Dippel (47:56.271)
What? What? no.

Carrie (47:56.591)
No, I don't think I would do that. Because I don't think that they're real. They're all cut and sliced and dice and it's not authentic. It's just yeah, so I wouldn't do it.

Mary Hamm (48:06.875)
Well yeah. Okay.

Bill Dippel (48:10.5)
Gotcha. Got it. All right. Interesting. All right. So I I'm ready to take some guesses.

Mary Hamm (48:11.704)
Okay. All right.

Mary Hamm (48:20.187)
Yeah, we can do it.

Bill Dippel (48:21.67)
So I'm kind of I'm kind of in a spot where I think I can I can throw some guesses around. and like you, Mary, I'm going to start in the domain. So I want to, well, do you want to take a stab at the domain first? Do you want me to take a stab at it?

Mary Hamm (48:41.081)
I mean, I can take a stab at it. you've you've obviously known her longer. I feel like I really truly am a blank slate with this. So I but I would say that you're in the relationship building domain.

Bill Dippel (48:42.853)
Do it.

I have.

Bill Dippel (48:49.06)
Yes.

Bill Dippel (48:54.214)
So she's calling you out as a blue folder. I think she is absolutely smattered in blue. I think there's blue all over the place. However, you know, what kept standing out for me so frequently was the I need to take it in. I need to understand it. I need to define it. I need to learn it. I think she's green, but has probably blue is right behind it.

Mary Hamm (48:55.809)
The blue as a blue folder. no.

Mary Hamm (49:08.088)
no.

Mary Hamm (49:16.389)
So you think she's green?

Mary Hamm (49:20.698)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (49:24.836)
So I'm just gonna take a stab at Green. So Carrie, where what domain do you live in?

Carrie (49:31.56)
I am in the green domain.

Mary Hamm (49:34.519)
All right, okay, okay.

Bill Dippel (49:34.882)
All right. So but but they're they've got to be close together because your relationship equity is so high. Right. There's so many components to it. So if you f look at your report and do you do you have your full report or just your front page?

Carrie (49:52.398)
I do. I have the full report. I think it's hilarious.

Bill Dippel (49:57.507)
flip it flip it over to I think it's nineteen twenty one. Sorry. Let's go twenty one. where's the relationship on the on the bar? Is it next to strategic or

Mary Hamm (50:00.891)
Twenty twenty one, nineteen, yeah. Yeah.

Carrie (50:17.886)
Like on the bar. So yeah. No, it's hilarious because it came out as the last.

Mary Hamm (50:18.202)
no. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (50:19.364)
Yeah, on the top.

Bill Dippel (50:24.624)
no.

Mary Hamm (50:24.717)
Stop it. What? Is this your new report?

Carrie (50:28.812)
Mm yes. It's from it's it's from la we did it yeah, we did it at the end of last year. So so we d we did it at the end of right? I mean, we did it.

Mary Hamm (50:29.883)
No, okay. Man

Bill Dippel (50:30.704)
Ha ha ha.

Bill Dippel (50:37.18)
that's it. All right.

Right. Well, so Mary, I'm like you, I'm surprised that the blue is not super high, right? Just

Mary Hamm (50:47.907)
Okay, I'm readjusting everything in my head now.

Carrie (50:48.15)
I I I know. I know. Me too. I I was blown away with my results when I got it because I thought, what? I what?

Bill Dippel (50:54.662)
Mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (50:59.397)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (50:59.707)
Okay, so your your your strategic thinking is your your domain. What's second for you?

Carrie (51:04.886)
Mm-hmm. it's yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (51:07.555)
Influencing? Okay. All right. I can see that. I've I've shifted things in my head now.

Bill Dippel (51:14.51)
Okay. So now we've made it on the bar, yeah. Yeah. All right. So now that we've listed out the domain, I'm gonna tell you that if you don't have learner slash input at the top, right, there's just no way I know you at all. Because listening to how you approached almost everything, including the rapid fire, let us

Carrie (51:15.424)
On the bar, you're talking about on the bar. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Mary Hamm (51:17.827)
On the bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Carrie (51:36.95)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (51:42.789)
Right.

Bill Dippel (51:43.758)
led I'm pretty sure both Mary and I to look at learner or and or input, often they're together, to be pretty pretty tall. So

Mary Hamm (51:49.142)
Right.

Mary Hamm (51:53.785)
And I would I would lean more towards learner for you.

Bill Dippel (51:57.208)
I would too. Yeah. But I I'd be surprised if input or it could be input at the very top. So or they're in the top five.

Carrie (51:59.513)
Do okay.

Mary Hamm (52:01.892)
But I was wrong before.

Carrie (52:04.664)
So are we talking top top top five or top ten?

Bill Dippel (52:08.035)
No, let's let's we'll talk top ten overall, let's just say. So that'll give us a wider a wider target to hit. So but I'm well, hold on. Do we wanna do we wanna know what they are now or do we wanna throw any others out that we think might fit in there?

Carrie (52:10.7)
Okay, yes, okay.

Okay. Would you like me to tell you? Are you ready for me or we keep we're gonna keep going?

Mary Hamm (52:19.003)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (52:25.584)
Well, d can you just tell us if learner or input are in your top?

Carrie (52:26.338)
Yeah, k yeah.

Learner and input are on in my top ten. Yes. And and I will say one more thing. Learner is in my top five.

Mary Hamm (52:33.52)
Both of them. Okay.

Bill Dippel (52:34.998)
R okay.

Okay.

Mary Hamm (52:40.975)
Okay. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (52:42.541)
all right. So you were right, Mary. She she absolutely that learner is definitely because there were so many clues, Carrie, when you were telling us how you how you take in information, how you always have to be asking, how you love the idea of questions. how how you'll stand out and take the data, how I will be the person that asks the harder questions rather than keep harmony in the room. I when I joked about I'm writing the things that are low, the harmony.

Mary Hamm (52:46.139)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (53:12.505)
for you. I just kept Xing out as saying harmony. While I know that you're good, tell please tell me harmony is not in your top ten.

Carrie (53:15.566)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (53:17.284)
Hmm.

Carrie (53:19.79)
No, it's not. It's it's boo.

Mary Hamm (53:23.202)
No.

Bill Dippel (53:24.023)
Okay. No, all right. All right. I feel pretty good. So all right, that's a good that's good news.

Carrie (53:28.675)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (53:30.796)
I I kind of gathered that you had an opinion about harmony from the very beginning of the episode when we were talking about the the harmony there. I don't even remember when that came up, but yeah.

Carrie (53:43.774)
you well you were saying that that's what you would love to have is harmony. Yeah. I it

Mary Hamm (53:48.503)
right, right, right, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And your face said something, yeah. It either said, I have this or like, mm, no.

Bill Dippel (53:55.782)
No, it is not there. yeah, where did I write? I wrote leaning into conflict easy. There was a question we had about leaning into the conflict. and how does that come? And I wrote harmony and empathy are probably low based on your ability to ask the harder question. So,

Carrie (53:59.064)
Mary Hamm (54:00.388)
Mm.

Mary Hamm (54:08.676)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (54:14.609)
Yeah.

Carrie (54:18.158)
Mm.

Mary Hamm (54:18.932)
I'm gonna take a stab. I think that you might be in the woo camp. I think it might be in your ten. I mean, you went around and took the red vines around. Okay. Yeah.

Carrie (54:27.182)
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Sh she's a winner of the top five. It's so

Bill Dippel (54:29.676)
Ooh.

Mary Hamm (54:34.85)
Sweet. Two. I got two in your top five. Okay. Okay.

Carrie (54:37.08)
Two two yes, two.

Bill Dippel (54:37.167)
You got two of I'm I'm I'm gonna say that when she walked around with red vines, it was woo, but she was being strategic about it. So I was thinking there was some yeah. I was thinking the strategy behind building that. Yeah, good. Excellent.

Mary Hamm (54:46.106)
Yep, that's yep. I was gonna say that's also circled, yep.

Carrie (54:47.63)
Ding ding ding ding ding. That's a top top top five. Top five.

Mary Hamm (54:54.798)
Uhhuh. Okay, so we have Woo, strategic and learner in your top five.

Carrie (55:04.022)
Woo, strategic and learner are in my top five. Yes. You got two more to guess.

Mary Hamm (55:07.812)
Okay. Okay. So

Bill Dippel (55:10.437)
Mm-hmm.

Carrie (55:15.496)
At least on the top five.

Mary Hamm (55:15.708)
okay.

Bill Dippel (55:17.185)
So the one that the one that kept coming up for me, and it kept hitting right on it, but then everything else said no was consistency for me. Because she said she doesn't like people in clicks, that people has to be treated fairly, you know. I need to know that everybody's involved. I don't like hypocrisy. So that y well, it it I

Mary Hamm (55:39.302)
But could that be includer?

Bill Dippel (55:43.394)
Again, consistency in Gallup's world so often is treating everybody in a consistent manner. So I kept putting pluses by consistency. Is consistency in your top top five, top ten? No, no, I lost that. I just that one, that one.

Mary Hamm (55:47.566)
The same, right?

Carrie (55:55.468)
Wah wa no.

Mary Hamm (55:56.73)
No.

I don't I didn't write includer down is includer high?

Carrie (56:01.019)
Yeah.

so interestingly, I will say that I took this, not to derail, but I did take this. We talked about back in 2016, and I had just reentered the workforce from being out of work for a period of time taking care of my kids, and Includer was in my top five, but it is now number 20.

Mary Hamm (56:25.977)
wow.

Bill Dippel (56:29.645)
Wow. Took a dive. So when did you how long ago did you take the first one?

Mary Hamm (56:29.653)
wow, okay, okay. That's interesting.

Carrie (56:35.928)
Twenty six ten years ago. Yeah. Yeah. And I was coming off of, you know, being like out of the corporate environment, right? So it was, you know, they you don't necessarily need to take strengths over again, but it was such a significant change. I think that that's one of the reasons. And I'm so much old I feel so much older now.

Bill Dippel (56:37.733)
Ten years. So about ten years. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (56:45.189)
Sure, sure, sure.

Mary Hamm (56:45.316)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (56:57.424)
Yeah. Okay.

Bill Dippel (56:58.629)
Got it.

Bill Dippel (57:02.767)
Don't we all. Don't we all. So and another one that popped up for me off and on. not certain that it qualified for top five. but I'll take a runner on it. Is all of the times you mentioned loved helping other people, all the times that you talked about I need when we're working together, or if I've given you a project, how can I help others? The the con that

Mary Hamm (57:02.78)
So wise, so wise.

Carrie (57:04.302)
Bill Dippel (57:31.653)
Consistency, the natural and recurring component, would lead me towards believing developer for you, that there is a developer in there somewhere in the top five, maybe top ten. No. Wow. Hmm.

Mary Hamm (57:37.806)
Agreed.

Carrie (57:42.238)
No. I know.

Mary Hamm (57:45.52)
So I had to change that after she said that she wasn't in the blue domain because that that was one of my top ones for her. But I'm wondering, is it significance?

Carrie (57:58.037)
No, no. Significance is like in the middle. It's twenty one.

Mary Hamm (57:59.247)
No

Mary Hamm (58:04.508)
Okay, okay, all right, okay. I'm striking out here. Okay, I also had adaptability high for you written down, but who knows? I'm striking out these days.

Bill Dippel (58:05.484)
Hmm. Well, we got Woo Strategic and Learner.

Carrie (58:17.61)
Yeah, that's actually pretty interesting because I do love change, but I must do it in a different way because adaptability is twenty four.

Mary Hamm (58:22.31)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (58:27.693)
funny. Okay, so it's more like strategic. Do you have a ranger high?

Bill Dippel (58:31.446)
A ranger must be high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we we have to Yeah, we have to tell our clients a rangers love to set the pace and do this, but they're ultimately flexible in being able to open it up and put something else in that in that spot. So

Carrie (58:33.72)
Ding ding ding. That's number five. That's number four. Arrangers number four.

Mary Hamm (58:34.926)
Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Four. Okay. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (58:45.285)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (58:49.712)
Yeah. Which again Yeah, go ahead. No no no go.

Carrie (58:50.584)
So with the woo, go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say, like with the woo and or not the woo with the input and the strategic and the arranger, like you know those crime movies where they put like the yarn on the wall and all the sticky notes and they're like trying to connect all the dots. That is the I would be that person. Like, let's, you know, try to peel back the onion and try and figure out like what's really going on here.

Mary Hamm (59:06.204)
Yes.

Yes. Yes, yes.

Bill Dippel (59:19.566)
Hmm. It's good.

Mary Hamm (59:19.854)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Carrie (59:20.11)
And then put all I love putting all the pieces together. I'm not great at like actual puzzles. They don't I don't really play use do puzzles, but like life puzzles, people puzzles, l fantastic.

Mary Hamm (59:24.922)
Right.

Mary Hamm (59:30.15)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (59:36.784)
Yeah. You love those aha moments where like someone like it all fits, right? It makes sense.

Carrie (59:39.67)
Mm, huh.

Yeah, and you're like, that's where it's coming from or you're you're figuring out like that's how I can help you.

Mary Hamm (59:46.491)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (59:50.021)
Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (59:50.917)
So I wanna ask because developers low for you, and we know that the blue is actually really low for you, but if it's not developer when you're constantly seeing people and trying to help and knowing about them, particularly from an HR point of view, is individualization high for you?

Carrie (01:00:11.48)
Six, yes. Number six, yes, yes, yes.

Bill Dippel (01:00:12.662)
Number six. It's just outside the top five. That makes sense. Okay. Yeah. Spotting the very unique traits for the people you're dealing with. got it. So w did we say a ranger was in your top five or top ten? Top five. All right. So we're only missing one in the top five. I don't want to keep I don't think we need to keep guessing. What did we miss in the top five?

Mary Hamm (01:00:12.733)
Nice job. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Carrie (01:00:20.717)
Yes.

Carrie (01:00:27.438)
Top five.

Mary Hamm (01:00:28.849)
Yeah. Yeah. So you have

Carrie (01:00:32.579)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:00:37.698)
Well, I said it at one point, but futuristic in the ra So yeah. yeah. And so being that like change agent and wanting to move things forward and and all of those, you know, characteristics, that is them very future focused. When I was talking about being growth oriented, that's like let's move.

Mary Hamm (01:00:42.351)
I have that circled.

Bill Dippel (01:00:42.648)
Darn it, Mary. I took it away. I took away your chance to own it.

Mary Hamm (01:00:46.663)
Ha ha ha

Mary Hamm (01:00:53.627)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:00:58.641)
Yeah, yeah.

Carrie (01:01:07.704)
forward. So I I am I am I do like to move at a fast pace, even though that one question was kind of, you know, looking at the project the project question. yeah, but it's I I like I'm not leaning heavy into that systematic. I mean, that process of like looking it over is to make sure that I don't look incompetent, right? You know, I I I I want to make sure that I understand what it is that I'm walking into and then

Mary Hamm (01:01:08.157)
Mm. Right.

Mary Hamm (01:01:19.408)
Systematic, yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:01:28.477)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:01:32.134)
Right.

Bill Dippel (01:01:32.524)
Right. Right.

Carrie (01:01:37.154)
Go and people.

Mary Hamm (01:01:38.309)
Right. Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:01:40.335)
Got it. Perfect. All right. how about why don't you tell us your six through ten? And we already know that input's in there somewhere. We know individualization's number six. And I'm gonna tell you that ideation is sitting in there somewhere as well, but I'm taking a stab at that. You hit a couple of times on solving problems, but I gotta come up with the ideas for other people. Those were all linked to the idea creation, so

Carrie (01:01:41.986)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:01:47.607)
Okay.

Carrie (01:01:54.414)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (01:01:59.57)
Ha ha ha.

Carrie (01:02:07.224)
Yes.

Mary Hamm (01:02:07.931)
I think yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:02:09.998)
Go ahead, Mary, sorry.

Mary Hamm (01:02:11.325)
I was just gonna say intellection might be in there too. I mean, you seem like you like to have those deep conversations. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:02:14.148)
she is pretty sm she is I like it. Well hit us with your six through ten. Tell us.

Carrie (01:02:16.877)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:02:20.618)
Okay, individualization, ideation, input, responsibility, and belief.

Mary Hamm (01:02:30.013)
Okay, so that's why I asked the nonprofit question. 'cause I had responsibility was the very first thing that I wrote down for you. and I was searching for that belief section and it I heard it when you talked about bringing like the best thing that you did this week was being able to take around the the chief the head person there. Yes, and the chief, you know and

Carrie (01:02:37.494)
Mm.

Carrie (01:02:50.53)
the chief mm.

But

Mary Hamm (01:02:56.033)
And that there's you could hear the pride in your voice about the company that you are with and that's y that moves towards that belief. So yeah. my goodness, so you were like cool.

Bill Dippel (01:03:01.41)
Yeah, very much so.

Carrie (01:03:03.562)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:03:09.796)
She's like a unicorn. And fascinating, Mary, for me. I never know how to spot belief. So strength spotting for belief for me, is so very difficult because and when I coach around it is I don't know what your belief is. You know, it could be really rooted in this. It could be belief used to be known as faith in Gallup's world and they changed it to get rid of that religious idealism behind it.

Mary Hamm (01:03:11.597)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (01:03:17.425)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:03:23.953)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:03:26.179)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:03:28.583)
Right.

Bill Dippel (01:03:34.542)
But I don't know how to spot it usually. Like y you know, you could have something super rooted from a belief point of view and it's not showing up in any other way. So I tend to not even think about belief when I'm thinking of strength spotting and I'm I'm not always sure how to get there. So Carrie could

Mary Hamm (01:03:36.605)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:03:43.485)
Yeah, yeah.

Carrie (01:03:50.37)
I think maybe I th go ahead, Mary.

Mary Hamm (01:03:50.416)
So interesting.

I was just gonna say interesting. I've worked with a lot of nonprofits and oftentimes the people who are like in the head positions of those nonprofits are high in belief and responsibility. They like strongly feel connected and they have a responsibility to like make like get out there and do the thing, whatever the thing might be. And I see it frequently in those top positions of nonprofits.

Bill Dippel (01:04:04.673)
Mm.

Carrie (01:04:15.426)
Yeah. Yeah. Mine is really a belief in taking care of the people. and and you know, and balancing the importance of what we need to do for the organization, but making sure that the people are taken care of. and some of the ways that I answered the questions, probably like the being very strong in like

Mary Hamm (01:04:21.725)
Hmm. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:04:22.795)
Mm.

Carrie (01:04:43.49)
hypocrisy, that hypocrisy question. And yeah, there I think there was a few other ones that I meant I kinda came in a little hot, which might have led in the into like, ooh, justice oriented, belief oriented kinda, you know, yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:04:46.661)
Right.

Mary Hamm (01:05:01.841)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:05:04.461)
Yeah. So that belief is around other people and making people better, hence my failure on developer, because I really thought developer was high, but if it's rooted in the belief that you have, it's less about the systemization of developing. It's more about the absolute belief that everybody and again that that trips me up in the consistency component because developer and consistency, if they're for me, if they're shrouded in just belief.

Mary Hamm (01:05:16.157)
It's it's in yeah.

Carrie (01:05:18.051)
Mm-hmm.

Mary Hamm (01:05:27.985)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:05:28.162)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:05:33.143)
period, that's it. Not the systemization but the deep rooted feeling of it, then that's probably where that came from for me to not not be able to sp I I broke into their individual parts and you're housing them in belief in a really strong, mature way. So c kudos to you. That's really good. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:05:35.079)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:05:48.561)
Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, yeah.

Carrie (01:05:51.949)
I will say that four out of five, right? Is it one maybe it's three a three out of five are in that strategic. So I do have a tendency to kind of get in my head. Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:06:09.793)
Sure. Sure. Yeah. We can we can all do that, right? So I love it. Well, so we got, let's see, if we're taking score, I think we before we gave up, we got four out of the top five. And then we picked off, I think two or maybe three of the rest of the six through ten. So let's go with, let's say we had two of them. So we got six out of ten or sixty percent.

Mary Hamm (01:06:19.857)
Ha ha.

Mary Hamm (01:06:23.675)
Right.

Mary Hamm (01:06:37.074)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:06:37.247)
on a strengths discovery, right? If we're if we're if we're gonna roll that. Carrie, was that a success? Would we would we would you call that a successful strengths discovery?

Carrie (01:06:37.356)
Yeah. You guys do good.

Mary Hamm (01:06:41.061)
Ha ha.

Carrie (01:06:46.956)
I would because we leverage our strengths in different ways. So, like when you said, empathy is low, well, emp empathy is actually 17 for me, but but I know people who have empathy that's that is low, but they're exhibiting it through a different strength. So so it is, you know, that whole idea that we bring certain things to the table through our strengths in different ways.

Mary Hamm (01:07:05.977)
Exactly, yes.

Carrie (01:07:16.21)
So I I I commend you guys for even getting 60%. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:07:19.965)
That was fun though.

Bill Dippel (01:07:23.009)
Well, it is years of doing it. And Mary, I I I never asked you this. I don't I don't strength spot a lot. Like when I'm meeting people, I'm not trying to it isn't interest because this isn't this is out of practice for me. I did it with you on a one of our opening sequences, but I've I don't think I've ever sat down and thought, Okay, I have to figure out your strengths while meeting people. So this is difficult. It's really hard to put it together. How about for you, Mary?

Mary Hamm (01:07:38.876)
Right.

Mary Hamm (01:07:45.148)
Yeah. Yeah. I so I listen to them when I'm doing therapy. I listen to people and how they're speaking about themselves and stuff, but usually they're coming from like the I mean w we don't call them basements anymore, but the the weak side of the strength. And so that's a very interesting feel too of like I'm hearing them say things and I love the flow question a lot. I love being able to ask like you did the best job

Carrie (01:07:46.392)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:08:12.667)
Like what was the best thing you did this week or the thing that asked you to do? I love the expert question, like what do people come to you for? Like when they're coming for advice or something, what are they asking you about? so I do listen for them in those like initial therapy settings, but no, I'm not sitting down with somebody over a cup of coffee and be like, you know, hardcore questioning them of like, tell me, do you cry at dog commercials?

Bill Dippel (01:08:38.817)
Yeah, and it's hard. Right, right. It's hard. I I'll catch myself talking to a stranger and you know, let's say we're sitting down and having a discussion about what we do or other things. And I'll hear certain words or phrases and I'll think, I know. I've got an idea. Yeah, yeah. But I'll never I'm never like, okay, so I need to put these in order. I need to catch sixty percent of the top ten right at the top. so it is fascinating to do. Although I could see the advantage if I was, like I said, a hiring director.

Mary Hamm (01:08:52.945)
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:08:58.509)
Right. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:09:07.696)
Right. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:09:07.849)
And we're not doing this to hire you, but I would want to know, hey, it would be nice to have some of some idea of where of what your strengths are if you're if you're not coming in with that report already for some reason you've had it somewhere else. So it would be handy to have it. just very difficult to do. Fun from a coaching point of view to try and do it from this side.

Mary Hamm (01:09:23.089)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:09:25.678)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:09:30.08)
Yeah. And you would wanna be careful not to like pigeonhole somebody or think that you're, you know, if you're hiring, just give my HR advice to you. Like no no d yeah, don't put a bias on it and and say that you for sure know. but

Mary Hamm (01:09:30.151)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:09:34.909)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the disclaimer. Yeah. oftentimes I'll get somebody's report and be like, yeah, that makes sense, you know, like, yeah, okay. That's what I was yeah. So that's that reassuring. Right. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:09:39.703)
Yeah. Well

Bill Dippel (01:09:46.808)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:09:52.428)
Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:09:54.485)
Now it makes sense, right? Yeah. But you know, pigeonholing's a great idea here in that something we want to avoid because I hit you with consistency and developer. both of which are pretty darn low for you. So yeah, right.

Carrie (01:09:56.557)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:10:07.692)
Yeah, they're at the bottom. It's I mean, well, and well, consistency is and discipline are let's see. okay. So can can I share at my bottom? Like, do you want to yeah, let's let's do 33 thirty well it's funny because you were asking me about context, which is hilarious because that's 29. And then deliberative is 31, harmony is thirty-two.

Bill Dippel (01:10:19.659)
Of course. Yeah, absolutely.

Bill Dippel (01:10:29.099)
Mm-hmm.

Carrie (01:10:37.278)
And then consistency and then relator is dead last. So I seven seventeen and posit

Mary Hamm (01:10:42.887)
Yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:10:43.671)
Got it. And where is your empathy? Where is empathy for you? Seventeen, all right. 'Cause I had harmony low and empathy low after leaning into the conflict being super easy, right? Being able to say what needs to be said. So yeah, I gotcha. Okay.

Mary Hamm (01:10:50.237)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:10:56.231)
Yeah.

Carrie (01:10:56.664)
Yeah. Yeah. And when I took it in twenty sixteen, positivity was in my top five and it's now eleven.

Mary Hamm (01:10:59.857)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:11:07.685)
I had positivity like written but I didn't think it was like super high necessarily, but it was in there. You definitely have a good positive feel. You like to encourage people and, you know, c celebrate things.

Carrie (01:11:17.472)
Yeah, mm-hmm.

Bill Dippel (01:11:17.827)
She's so positive. Every time I call her, I'm just yeah, I get a breath of fresh air and sunshine through the phone when we get to talk and call. And then we'll go have tea together and catch up. And my day just gets warm and sunny. So awesome. Yeah. Well, Carrie, thank you so much for letting us pick your brain today and figure out what this looks like because w like I said, we don't get to do this a lot. Gallup actually tells us we shouldn't do this, right? As a

Carrie (01:11:22.989)
No.

Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:11:28.303)
I love it.

Carrie (01:11:30.57)
light ditto Ditto.

Carrie (01:11:37.325)
Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:11:38.877)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:11:47.911)
not something that we would recommend you do because as we prove today, even people that do it very, very well for the normal process will will get this wrong, but it is fun to try it and to understand how those show through and then hearing the reverse side, reverse engineering where we tripped up, but also where we got it right is actually really helpful. And I I hope our arsonists love love listening to that part of it, knowing that, you know, we're just fallible humans too, trying to

Mary Hamm (01:11:59.933)
Right.

Carrie (01:12:10.765)
Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:12:17.996)
Trying to figure out what the people around us makes them tick and and how we can make them a little better at what they do. So

Mary Hamm (01:12:20.158)
That's right. Yeah, yeah.

Carrie (01:12:25.12)
Yeah, well I I will say that this report, and Strengths Finder in general, I think is one of the best tools out there. And it is so insightful and it helps teams come together and understand and leverage what they do well, and avoid conflict and be more productive because you can understand each other better.

Bill Dippel (01:12:51.202)
Sure. Yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:12:51.282)
Right. It's that common language. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

Carrie (01:12:53.514)
Yeah, yeah. So thank you for letting me be a part of this and I and inviting me back.

Bill Dippel (01:12:55.094)
Yeah. I s yeah, you're well, you know, you're so you are my first guest on season three. So now now I have to make the badge for Carrie, right? First guest season three, right? We we joked about that on our just our arsonist heard it on the show before this one. She had somebody on as her first guest too. So

Carrie (01:13:05.452)
Woohoo Woohoo.

Mary Hamm (01:13:05.694)
Congratulations.

Carrie (01:13:12.643)
Ha ha.

Carrie (01:13:16.43)
Okay.

Mary Hamm (01:13:20.53)
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:13:21.142)
We're undecided whether we're making them badges or synchronized swimming, sequined bathing suits. So

Carrie (01:13:21.336)
Nice.

Mary Hamm (01:13:26.558)
my goodness. I think we decided on a badge. Don't worry. Don't worry. So so yeah.

Carrie (01:13:28.846)
no. thank you. Okay, good.

Bill Dippel (01:13:32.19)
I think we're okay. Yeah. I think we're on the bad. So so Carrie, you'll hear that joke on the listening to the episode before this one. So all right. So awesome. Carrie, thank you for letting us play in your head for a little while today. Thank you for letting us guess and then hitting us with what it is. Yeah.

Carrie (01:13:40.27)
Fantastic.

Carrie (01:13:46.584)
Yeah, that was so much fun. So much fun. Yeah, likewise. Well,

Mary Hamm (01:13:46.898)
Yeah. Yeah. It was so great meeting you too. I wanna know more about what you do.

Bill Dippel (01:13:53.846)
Yeah, Mary, c congr congratulations, meet your new client. yeah.

Mary Hamm (01:13:57.448)
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

Carrie (01:13:57.57)
I was gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna reach I will reach out to you if that's all right. I think I'm very excited to have some further conversations.

Mary Hamm (01:14:05.234)
Yeah, for sure. We'll get something on the books.

Bill Dippel (01:14:05.62)
Excellent. Awesome.

Carrie (01:14:07.296)
Always need good people in your corner, right? We always need yeah, yeah.

Bill Dippel (01:14:09.878)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's why I have Carrie. I don't know why she picks me, but that's why I have Carrie in my corner. So I'll

Mary Hamm (01:14:10.468)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Carrie (01:14:16.286)
come on. That's your that that's you being in the basement of that low significance. You better bring it up, buddy.

Mary Hamm (01:14:17.052)
my goodness.

Bill Dippel (01:14:23.404)
Need it. I need it. Help me with my significance, Carrie. I beg of you. so good. She did. She brought it right. She was there. Yeah. shut that down. That's my developer. Bang, bang. Done. So, okay. Well, Carrie, thank you again. we love having you here. Thank you to our arsonists. Thanks for thanks for listening, having fun, and we will talk soon.

Mary Hamm (01:14:23.934)
Ha ha ha.

Carrie (01:14:26.154)
Yes, you you're

Mary Hamm (01:14:27.868)
She tried. She tried at the very beginning. She gave you this sweet little thing and you were like, that's actually my developer. All right.

Carrie (01:14:32.6)
Mm.

Carrie (01:14:42.008)
Thank you.

Carrie (01:14:49.942)
Okay, sounds good. Thanks.

Bill Dippel (01:14:53.368)
I can't shut it off. Hold on. I'm in the wrong spots.